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>No more questions. Which is a shame, because if you questioned the quote a tiny bit and listened to the whole segment[1], it's far less damning that you make

by gruez 2y ago

>No more questions. Which is a shame, because if you questioned the quote a tiny bit and listened to the whole segment[1], it's far less damning that you make it out to be. Before that quote he even says "I believe in empathy, I think you should care about other people". He's not against empathy as a whole, he's against "too much" empathy, to the point that "you suicide yourself". That in my view, is entirely reasonable. If you had infinite empathy and were running a store, and you let yourself be shoplifted to bankruptcy, I think most people agree that would be a character flaw. [1] https://youtu.be/sSOxPJD-VNo?t=4565 https://youtu.be/sSOxPJD-VNo?t=4565

jtchang 2y ago
Thank you for providing this. He mentions right after that "empathy is good but you need to think it through and not just be programmed like a robot". That quote is clearly taken out of context and is specifically chosen as click/rage bait. Like all things, nuance and context is always key.
- refulgentis 2y ago
  You may find it utterly nullifying, not just mitigating. I, of free and sound mind, do not. I find an argument that it could be nullifying to be quite challenging to make. (really, I can't figure out how I'd make it) Additionally, if I could, I'd still have to wrestle with that life isn't full of cartoon villains, and people usually hedge.
Xelynega 2y ago
So he positioned himself such that you can't say "he has no empathy", but he can still use "too much empathy" as a reason for anything? > he's against "too much" empathy, to the point that "you suicide yourself" His recent comments against all DEI programs(while implementing his own DEI programs and being a DEI hire himself) seem to show that this is an exaggeration
- gruez 2y ago
  >So he positioned himself such that you can't say "he has no empathy", but he can still use "too much empathy" as a reason for anything? In other words, he's not an absolutist, which seems fine. >His recent comments against all DEI programs(while implementing his own DEI programs and being a DEI hire himself) seem to show that this is an exaggeration Sounds like you're already convinced that he's a Bad Person, so anything he says is going to be further proof of that. Even if he said something utterly anodyne like "government should be smaller", you'd probably respond with "well given what he's doing at DOGE, that's obviously him saying that he wants to dismantle the federal government as we know it".
  - Xelynega 2y ago
    I don't know what "Bad Person" means, I was just pointing out the ridiculousness of saying "he only wants to get rid of empathy in the extreme when it leads to (essentially) suicide" when he's actively working to dismantle programs that benefit the economy just because he perceives them as having some modicum of "empathy" related to them. I'm also not sure what your comment about DOGE is trying to say. He has commented many times on wanting smaller government, and is working actively to achieve that with DOGE. What am I missing there?

by gruez 2y ago

jtchang 2y ago

Thank you for providing this. He mentions right after that "empathy is good but you need to think it through and not just be programmed like a robot". That quote is clearly taken out of context and is specifically chosen as click/rage bait. Like all things, nuance and context is always key.

refulgentis 2y ago
You may find it utterly nullifying, not just mitigating. I, of free and sound mind, do not. I find an argument that it could be nullifying to be quite challenging to make. (really, I can't figure out how I'd make it) Additionally, if I could, I'd still have to wrestle with that life isn't full of cartoon villains, and people usually hedge.

Xelynega 2y ago

So he positioned himself such that you can't say "he has no empathy", but he can still use "too much empathy" as a reason for anything? > he's against "too much" empathy, to the point that "you suicide yourself" His recent comments against all DEI programs(while implementing his own DEI programs and being a DEI hire himself) seem to show that this is an exaggeration

gruez 2y ago
>So he positioned himself such that you can't say "he has no empathy", but he can still use "too much empathy" as a reason for anything? In other words, he's not an absolutist, which seems fine. >His recent comments against all DEI programs(while implementing his own DEI programs and being a DEI hire himself) seem to show that this is an exaggeration Sounds like you're already convinced that he's a Bad Person, so anything he says is going to be further proof of that. Even if he said something utterly anodyne like "government should be smaller", you'd probably respond with "well given what he's doing at DOGE, that's obviously him saying that he wants to dismantle the federal government as we know it".
- Xelynega 2y ago
  I don't know what "Bad Person" means, I was just pointing out the ridiculousness of saying "he only wants to get rid of empathy in the extreme when it leads to (essentially) suicide" when he's actively working to dismantle programs that benefit the economy just because he perceives them as having some modicum of "empathy" related to them. I'm also not sure what your comment about DOGE is trying to say. He has commented many times on wanting smaller government, and is working actively to achieve that with DOGE. What am I missing there?