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Was the goal ever 'fraud', and not simply funding for things voters/Trump/Musk either disapprove of, or think is wasteful? Such as animal transgender studies [1

Was the goal ever 'fraud', and not simply funding for things voters/Trump/Musk either disapprove of, or think is wasteful? Such as animal transgender studies [1], DEI departments [2], and yes, a whole lot of uncontroversially useful programs. There are very valid criticisms to be made against DOGE (and have been made), but the article is attacking a strawman. [1] https://www.foxnews.com/media/cnn-edits-fact-check-saying-trump-falsely-claimed-were-trans-experiments-mice https://www.foxnews.com/media/cnn-edits-fact-check-saying-tr... [2] https://www.foxnews.com/politics/doge-slashes-over-100m-dei-funding-education-department-win-every-student https://www.foxnews.com/politics/doge-slashes-over-100m-dei-...

freejazz 2y ago
"Elon is doing a great job, he's finding tremendous fraud and corruption and waste" Guess who said that
- MrMcCall 2y ago
  "The Liar-in-Chief". Final answer, Regis.
- like_any_other 2y ago
  And the article is correct on the fraud part (I assume), but then conflates this with overall waste, which, judging from DOGE's name, is its main goal. Though it does claim it found zero waste [1], 'waste' is highly subjective - e.g. to some, DEI departments and transgender activism in Guatemala is waste [2]. Simply deciding that all of these programs are crucial and therefore no waste was found, is not honest journalism. [1] not a single instance of fraud or waste has been discovered [2] https://nypost.com/2025/02/05/opinion/transgender-recognition-in-bangladesh-kosovo-guatemala-how-one-usaid-employee-shows-whats-wrong-with-the-embattled-agency/ https://nypost.com/2025/02/05/opinion/transgender-recognitio...
  - freejazz 2y ago
    Did you even read my post? Doesn't seem like it. That's what the President said Elon is doing. >Simply deciding that all of these programs are crucial and therefore no waste was found, is not honest journalism. Nor is the description of them as "waste" but that doesn't seem to be a problem when it's something you like.
    - like_any_other 2y ago
      > That's what the President said Elon is doing. Then the article does a great job of debunking that one specific statement by Trump, but not a good job of debunking the entire DOGE department. And I don't particularly care about Trump's random statements.
      - freejazz 2y ago
        Oh, you don't? That's nice for you. I wonder if the general public perceives DOGE as being an effort to root out corruption because that's the only thing the President mentions about. But hey! You don't care!! Also, what's "random" about the statement? It seems pretty specific and relevant to me. I think random would be if he started talking about Rosie O'Donnel again for no explicable reason.
trelane 2y ago
Maybe, but it's also not like "efficiency" isn't right there in the name
- yusaythat 2y ago
  "efficiency" doesn't mean "finding fraud" though.
techpineapple 2y ago
I do think Elon Musk does think he’s the smartest person in the world and he was going to roll in and find fraud easily.
sodality2 2y ago
Trump himself from this article: "And they’re finding what will be hundreds of billions of dollars’ worth of fraud — I say waste and abuse."

freejazz 2y ago

"Elon is doing a great job, he's finding tremendous fraud and corruption and waste" Guess who said that

MrMcCall 2y ago
"The Liar-in-Chief". Final answer, Regis.
like_any_other 2y ago
And the article is correct on the fraud part (I assume), but then conflates this with overall waste, which, judging from DOGE's name, is its main goal. Though it does claim it found zero waste [1], 'waste' is highly subjective - e.g. to some, DEI departments and transgender activism in Guatemala is waste [2]. Simply deciding that all of these programs are crucial and therefore no waste was found, is not honest journalism. [1] not a single instance of fraud or waste has been discovered [2] https://nypost.com/2025/02/05/opinion/transgender-recognition-in-bangladesh-kosovo-guatemala-how-one-usaid-employee-shows-whats-wrong-with-the-embattled-agency/ https://nypost.com/2025/02/05/opinion/transgender-recognitio...
- freejazz 2y ago
  Did you even read my post? Doesn't seem like it. That's what the President said Elon is doing. >Simply deciding that all of these programs are crucial and therefore no waste was found, is not honest journalism. Nor is the description of them as "waste" but that doesn't seem to be a problem when it's something you like.
  - like_any_other 2y ago
    > That's what the President said Elon is doing. Then the article does a great job of debunking that one specific statement by Trump, but not a good job of debunking the entire DOGE department. And I don't particularly care about Trump's random statements.
    - freejazz 2y ago
      Oh, you don't? That's nice for you. I wonder if the general public perceives DOGE as being an effort to root out corruption because that's the only thing the President mentions about. But hey! You don't care!! Also, what's "random" about the statement? It seems pretty specific and relevant to me. I think random would be if he started talking about Rosie O'Donnel again for no explicable reason.

trelane 2y ago

Maybe, but it's also not like "efficiency" isn't right there in the name

yusaythat 2y ago
"efficiency" doesn't mean "finding fraud" though.

techpineapple 2y ago

I do think Elon Musk does think he’s the smartest person in the world and he was going to roll in and find fraud easily.

sodality2 2y ago

Trump himself from this article: "And they’re finding what will be hundreds of billions of dollars’ worth of fraud — I say waste and abuse."