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While I doubt that it solves all the issue, subcontractors, imported parts and so on, but the Italian F-35s are build be Leonardo in Cameri in Italy. How long w
by mrweasel 2y ago
While I doubt that it solves all the issue, subcontractors, imported parts and so on, but the Italian F-35s are build be Leonardo in Cameri in Italy. How long would it take BAE, SAAB or Leonardo to un-brick an F-35?
Again, not ideal, but the first F-35 have been delivered an need to be serviced and maintained until they can be replaced,... or maybe just until the next US election.
- acdha 2y agoI think there’s an interesting question about how important updates are: say they unbrick it, how often do you have before there’s some change you’d actually want to have but it’s no longer easily available? This feels like the much higher-stakes version of people trying to jailbreak phones without losing security updates.
- jandrewrogers 2y agoHardware is not the issue. The US strictly controls the software whence many differentiated capabilities of the aircraft come. This includes a lot of secret computer science R&D that no one has access to. Countries were buying it for the advanced software.
- notpushkin 2y agoCan they reverse engineer it?
- Bluestrike2 2y agoI'd expect the original agreements that were put in place--both the ones with the subcontractors as well as the purchase agreements--are quite strict on what you can do with the plane. Trying to reverse engineer software (the policy was that no one gets access to the original source code for the F-35[0], at least back in 2009) is probably a no-go under those agreements. The original article suggests that Ukraine may end up having to replace the electronic countermeasures hardware to get around this in the future, so I'd expect any attempts to "un-brick"/work around the lack of support will eventually be along those lines, even if it results in some performance degradation. No matter how they approach this, it's going to be a horrifically difficult and expensive task. 0. https://www.reuters.com/article/world/exclusive-us-to-withhold-f-35-fighter-software-codes-idUSTRE5AN4JX/ https://www.reuters.com/article/world/exclusive-us-to-withho...
- mrweasel 2y ago> The original article suggests that Ukraine may end up having to replace the electronic countermeasures hardware See my other comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43307996#43309468 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43307996#43309468 Replacing the jammers shouldn't be "horrifically difficult", might still be expensive though.
- blibble 2y ago> Trying to reverse engineer software (the policy was that no one gets access to the original source code for the F-35[0], at least back in 2009) is probably a no-go under those agreements. the UK made access to the source code a condition of purchase, and the technology transfer agreement was signed in a hypothetical scenario where the US federal government falls under the direct control of a russian asset, I imagine this would end up in our allies hands reasonably quickly
- spitfire 2y agoI expect knowing this new f35 deliveries will have hardware just different enough to need new software. Move a few flags around in a few registers and for all practical purposes it’s stuck.
- cynicalsecurity 2y agoWill there be next US elections?
- chgs 2y agoNext national elections are the midterms in November 2026 with a new house and senate taking over in Jan 2027, 22 months time. If the American people want to shift track they have the opportunity to actually elect a Congress which will do something. If not it’s November 2028 for the next presidential election. Trump (if he’s still alive - he’s not exactly young or healthy) won’t be able to stand for a third term unless a constitutional ammendment is past
- spixy 2y agoDepends on the used cryptography, could be months or decades.