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People commenting here keep speaking as though Americans all decided to do this. Trump didn't even win the majority of votes of those who voted. And those who v
by DFHippie 2y ago
People commenting here keep speaking as though Americans all decided to do this. Trump didn't even win the majority of votes of those who voted. And those who voted for him had only the most nebulous idea of what doing this would mean. It meant something like "Those people who never treated us with respect will get what's coming. If they don't love us they will fear us."
This happens all the time. "Russia did X." "The UK just did stupid thing Y." "Why are Germans suddenly authoritarian again?"
There are always lots of people who disagree with the actions of their government. Some governments -- the US government increasingly so -- punish dissent. Russians, for one, have almost no say over what their government does. Americans in general are not making these terrible decisions. Some cabal is, but even the Republicans, who have all the power at the moment, are mostly just knuckling under to decisions they know are terrible.
I know it's tempting to blame and hate people as nations, but I don't think it helps. In fact, it's how we got here in the first place: firebrands telling nitwits that everyone in Europe or New York City or wherever hates them.
- chii 2y ago> Trump didn't even win the majority of votes of those who voted. he did win the popular vote this time, unlike last.
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- eunos 2y agoStill below 50% (49% something) so technically not majority but plurality.
- ExoticPearTree 2y agoTrump: 77,302,580 votes / 49.8% of popular vote Harris: 75,017,613 votes / 48.3% of popular vote It doesn't matter it wasn't 50%. He actually won the popular vote this time.
- gmokki 2y agoTechnically you are correct. But actually the real winners were the extreme vote suppression tactics. Without them trump would have lost clearly: read the extremely conservative estimates targeted mostly non-trump voters: https://hartmannreport.com/p/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won-c6f https://hartmannreport.com/p/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won...
- ExoticPearTree 2y ago[flagged]
- DFHippie 2y agoI find it funny how we're making the point that his election doesn't say that much about the aggregate opinion of Americans and you keep missing it. Yes, he won the popular vote. No, it doesn't mean America is massively behind his project. In fact, it is massively unpopular and its popularity is declining.
- lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 2y ago> "Russia did X." "The UK just did stupid thing Y." "Why are Germans suddenly authoritarian again?" This is just the language that is used to refer to the governments as well as the people/culture. It may help to presume that, in most cases, they’re referring to just the governments.
- Eupolemos 2y ago> People commenting here keep speaking as though Americans all decided to do this. Trump didn't even win the majority of votes of those who voted. True, but if Americans do not stop it, they own it. Nobody cares much if you meant to make an accident, you should have been more careful - especially if you run away from the scene.