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The US would not start a nuclear war with Russia over an attack on Ukraine, nuclear or otherwise. Do you really think it would?

b112 2y ago
If Russia nuked the Ukraine, I would be astonished if the West didn't invade Russia. The primary goal being the end of Putin, and all those who aided him. If resisted, and Russia threatened more nuking, then Russia would need to be nuked. (I expect a first response would be a single city, with warnings to evacuate. A show of what's next.) The goal would be that Russians assist in taking out an out of control, lunatic who will destroy us all. Understand, this isn't just about today. Over the next 100 years, every country will obtain the capacity for nukes. Every person on this planet needs to see, and know that using them indiscriminately means you lose. The consequences are too dire otherwise.
- danenania 2y ago
  > I expect a first response would be a single city, with warnings to evacuate. A show of what's next. And when a US city is taken out in response? Do you keep going? Over a country that ultimately has very little impact on the US? Your premise is basically that US military leaders are irrational to the point of insanity.
  - b112 2y ago
    At that point, as I stipulated "The West", multiple countries would be boots on ground, invading Russia. If Russia gave an ultimatum to nuke at that point, and was serious, it would make perfect sense to nuke a city of theirs first. This isn't a game you win by backing off. There is no safety in that move. Understand, the claim that the Ukraine is "Russian" is an absurd bluff. No one truly believes that, not Putin certainly. There are a dozen other countries in that region that Putin could make the same bluff about. By allowing this bluff to continue for this long, matters have only gotten worse. We allowed 2014 to happen. Now, we're here. It won't stop a a peace agreement, or at Ukraine in whole. The insanity is Russian. And you don't leave a rambling, insane man with a gun outside your house, shooting randomly at houses, because they're not quite at your doorstep yet.
- Aeolun 2y ago
  I’m more inclined to think it’d be a direct beeline for moscow with a swarm of jets (kinda like what Russia tried, only successful). Nobody in Russia has any appetite for this war and they’ll take an out when it’s given to them.
Aeolun 2y ago
They wouldn’t start a war over Ukraine for certain, but are you going to bet those ballistic missiles target Ukraine?

b112 2y ago

If Russia nuked the Ukraine, I would be astonished if the West didn't invade Russia. The primary goal being the end of Putin, and all those who aided him. If resisted, and Russia threatened more nuking, then Russia would need to be nuked. (I expect a first response would be a single city, with warnings to evacuate. A show of what's next.) The goal would be that Russians assist in taking out an out of control, lunatic who will destroy us all. Understand, this isn't just about today. Over the next 100 years, every country will obtain the capacity for nukes. Every person on this planet needs to see, and know that using them indiscriminately means you lose. The consequences are too dire otherwise.

danenania 2y ago
> I expect a first response would be a single city, with warnings to evacuate. A show of what's next. And when a US city is taken out in response? Do you keep going? Over a country that ultimately has very little impact on the US? Your premise is basically that US military leaders are irrational to the point of insanity.
- b112 2y ago
  At that point, as I stipulated "The West", multiple countries would be boots on ground, invading Russia. If Russia gave an ultimatum to nuke at that point, and was serious, it would make perfect sense to nuke a city of theirs first. This isn't a game you win by backing off. There is no safety in that move. Understand, the claim that the Ukraine is "Russian" is an absurd bluff. No one truly believes that, not Putin certainly. There are a dozen other countries in that region that Putin could make the same bluff about. By allowing this bluff to continue for this long, matters have only gotten worse. We allowed 2014 to happen. Now, we're here. It won't stop a a peace agreement, or at Ukraine in whole. The insanity is Russian. And you don't leave a rambling, insane man with a gun outside your house, shooting randomly at houses, because they're not quite at your doorstep yet.
Aeolun 2y ago
I’m more inclined to think it’d be a direct beeline for moscow with a swarm of jets (kinda like what Russia tried, only successful). Nobody in Russia has any appetite for this war and they’ll take an out when it’s given to them.

Aeolun 2y ago

They wouldn’t start a war over Ukraine for certain, but are you going to bet those ballistic missiles target Ukraine?