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The people who don't care about the time shift don't care about the time zone either. They are happy with or at least indifferent to the time changes. The peo

The people who don't care about the time shift don't care about the time zone either. They are happy with or at least indifferent to the time changes. The people saying "just pick one" usually care deeply about which one is picked. We've already done surveys and studies. 45% of the people really want to be on standard time year round, 45% of the people want to be on daylight time year round. The rest don't care. So we keep the status quo because we can't agree on what to change it to.

fragmede 2y ago
so pick 30 minutes as the permanent offset
Dylan16807 2y ago
> 90% of people want us to just stay with one. > 45% of the people really want to be on standard time year round, 45% of the people want to be on daylight time year round. The rest don't care. So you think the people that want the swapping to end above all else are a rounding error? I don't. I think it's a significant group of people. Also it would only take a few of them to break a deadlock. For example, let's say 42% of voters want standard, 42% want summer, 6% want either, and 10% don't care very much. Of that last 10%, let's pessimistically say that 2/3 will vote against any change and 1/3 will vote yes. If you put up a vote to end daylight savings in either direction, 42% + 6% + 3.3% vote yes, and 42% + 6.7% vote no. It passes.
- jedberg 2y ago
  > So you think the people that want the swapping to end above all else are a rounding error? No, they are the 90%.
  - Dylan16807 2y ago
    "Above all else" means they will support permanent summer time and they will support permanent standard time. When you said the 90% "care deeply about which one is picked", I thought you were saying they cared about that more than the end of daylight savings. If you're not saying that, and they care about it less than the end of daylight savings, then it doesn't matter that they "care deeply about which one is picked". They'll still support ending it in either direction. Do a poll for either option, show 90% support, do it.
    - jedberg 2y ago
      When polling is done asking about just one optoin, about 60% support going to permanent standard time instead of switching, and 60% support going to permanent daylight time instead of switching. So there is a non-trivial number who support just stopping the switch and going to either time zone, but it's not a majority for either option. So we're back to where we were -- almost everyone wants to stop switching, but there is not any agreement as to which way to stay. Both non-switching options have equal support.
      - Dylan16807 2y ago
        1. If only 60% support either one, then a lot less than 90% want to end switching above all else. 2. If an option has 60% support then just do it already, that's plenty of support. 3. Gallup says that twice as many people want standard time all year as want summer time all year.

fragmede 2y ago

so pick 30 minutes as the permanent offset

Dylan16807 2y ago

> 90% of people want us to just stay with one. > 45% of the people really want to be on standard time year round, 45% of the people want to be on daylight time year round. The rest don't care. So you think the people that want the swapping to end above all else are a rounding error? I don't. I think it's a significant group of people. Also it would only take a few of them to break a deadlock. For example, let's say 42% of voters want standard, 42% want summer, 6% want either, and 10% don't care very much. Of that last 10%, let's pessimistically say that 2/3 will vote against any change and 1/3 will vote yes. If you put up a vote to end daylight savings in either direction, 42% + 6% + 3.3% vote yes, and 42% + 6.7% vote no. It passes.

jedberg 2y ago
> So you think the people that want the swapping to end above all else are a rounding error? No, they are the 90%.
- Dylan16807 2y ago
  "Above all else" means they will support permanent summer time and they will support permanent standard time. When you said the 90% "care deeply about which one is picked", I thought you were saying they cared about that more than the end of daylight savings. If you're not saying that, and they care about it less than the end of daylight savings, then it doesn't matter that they "care deeply about which one is picked". They'll still support ending it in either direction. Do a poll for either option, show 90% support, do it.
  - jedberg 2y ago
    When polling is done asking about just one optoin, about 60% support going to permanent standard time instead of switching, and 60% support going to permanent daylight time instead of switching. So there is a non-trivial number who support just stopping the switch and going to either time zone, but it's not a majority for either option. So we're back to where we were -- almost everyone wants to stop switching, but there is not any agreement as to which way to stay. Both non-switching options have equal support.
    - Dylan16807 2y ago
      1. If only 60% support either one, then a lot less than 90% want to end switching above all else. 2. If an option has 60% support then just do it already, that's plenty of support. 3. Gallup says that twice as many people want standard time all year as want summer time all year.