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This is something I don't understand. Kagi has been my only search engine since they dropped the price to $10/mo. I've only ever used Kagi with Firefox, and I u

by chias 2y ago

This is something I don't understand. Kagi has been my only search engine since they dropped the price to $10/mo. I've only ever used Kagi with Firefox, and I use it on Linux, Windows, and Mac. I just add it to my search engines and set it as default, which takes about 15 seconds. Everything seems to just work seamlessly. Searching in private windows works without any configuration or token juggling. I have never tried the Orion browser or the extension because I don't understand the problem that they allegedly solve.

malnourish 2y ago
I use Kagi at work in Firefox and Edge with no issues. I use it at home with Firefox and Chrome (Windows 10) and Iceraven on Android. No issues.
- deleted 2y ago
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- SSLy 2y ago
  Yet the list of search engines in iOS Safari is locked and I can't add my own.
  - belmont_sup 2y ago
    I had to install the Kagi for Safari app on iOS. This lets me install the extension and switch it to on my phone.
    - SSLy 2y ago
      that extension intercepts the queries. Kagi couldn't make it any other way. And I don't mean this as a grievance against Kagi, but agains APPL's policies.
treesknees 2y ago
To set it as your default search engine on iOS, you need to first install a separate Kagi Search app from the App Store, enable the extension, and then dig through some fairly obscure Safari settings so that the Kagi app can run with enough permissions to intercept/redirect search URLs for other search engines. So now when I search in Safari, the browser says “DuckDuckGo Search” but when I hit return Kagi jumps in. I also had to turn off search suggestions because those (as far as I know) would still come from DDG.
- Volundr 2y ago
  This seems more like an indictment of iOS than collusion between search and browser vendors. I'm using Kagi as my default search on Android, Linux, Mac, and Windows, both Chrome and Firefox. The kind of nonsense your describing us why iOS doesn't show up in my list of devices.
  - treesknees 2y ago
    My point was more that you claimed to not understand and I was just providing an example where it does take longer than “15 seconds” to switch to Kagi. iOS/iPhone has the majority mobile market share in many countries including the United States. If you’re unaware, Google is currently being sued by the US government for establishing a monopoly over search engine placement including payments to Apple and Mozilla to keep Google as the default search engine. So, with that context, can you honestly say there’s no collusion between search providers and browser vendors?
    - Dylan16807 2y ago
      > My point was more that you claimed to not understand and I was just providing an example where it does take longer than “15 seconds” to switch to Kagi. It's an example, but it's not an example that proves the point. > iOS/iPhone has the majority mobile market share in many countries including the United States. If you’re unaware, Google is currently being sued by the US government for establishing a monopoly over search engine placement including payments to Apple and Mozilla to keep Google as the default search engine. So, with that context, can you honestly say there’s no collusion between search providers and browser vendors? Yes, easily. The comment was talking about depth of collusion in making it significantly not seamless. But even with Google pushing a default, it's a trivial switch on Android. On top of that, Google pushing their search engine onto Android phones has nothing to do with "browser vendors". It's a different topic. So I say Android is not an example, and desktop is fine, leaving the only example of problems as Apple. Even if I think that's collusion, just Apple doing a thing is not collusion over the general market of browser makers. But I'm also skeptical that it's collusion. Apple always offers limited choices and bad customizability.
dizhn 2y ago
They might want to push Privacy Pass with their own browser. It requires an extension on Chrome and Firefox.

by chias 2y ago

malnourish 2y ago

I use Kagi at work in Firefox and Edge with no issues. I use it at home with Firefox and Chrome (Windows 10) and Iceraven on Android. No issues.

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SSLy 2y ago
Yet the list of search engines in iOS Safari is locked and I can't add my own.
- belmont_sup 2y ago
  I had to install the Kagi for Safari app on iOS. This lets me install the extension and switch it to on my phone.
  - SSLy 2y ago
    that extension intercepts the queries. Kagi couldn't make it any other way. And I don't mean this as a grievance against Kagi, but agains APPL's policies.

treesknees 2y ago

To set it as your default search engine on iOS, you need to first install a separate Kagi Search app from the App Store, enable the extension, and then dig through some fairly obscure Safari settings so that the Kagi app can run with enough permissions to intercept/redirect search URLs for other search engines. So now when I search in Safari, the browser says “DuckDuckGo Search” but when I hit return Kagi jumps in. I also had to turn off search suggestions because those (as far as I know) would still come from DDG.

Volundr 2y ago
This seems more like an indictment of iOS than collusion between search and browser vendors. I'm using Kagi as my default search on Android, Linux, Mac, and Windows, both Chrome and Firefox. The kind of nonsense your describing us why iOS doesn't show up in my list of devices.
- treesknees 2y ago
  My point was more that you claimed to not understand and I was just providing an example where it does take longer than “15 seconds” to switch to Kagi. iOS/iPhone has the majority mobile market share in many countries including the United States. If you’re unaware, Google is currently being sued by the US government for establishing a monopoly over search engine placement including payments to Apple and Mozilla to keep Google as the default search engine. So, with that context, can you honestly say there’s no collusion between search providers and browser vendors?
  - Dylan16807 2y ago
    > My point was more that you claimed to not understand and I was just providing an example where it does take longer than “15 seconds” to switch to Kagi. It's an example, but it's not an example that proves the point. > iOS/iPhone has the majority mobile market share in many countries including the United States. If you’re unaware, Google is currently being sued by the US government for establishing a monopoly over search engine placement including payments to Apple and Mozilla to keep Google as the default search engine. So, with that context, can you honestly say there’s no collusion between search providers and browser vendors? Yes, easily. The comment was talking about depth of collusion in making it significantly not seamless. But even with Google pushing a default, it's a trivial switch on Android. On top of that, Google pushing their search engine onto Android phones has nothing to do with "browser vendors". It's a different topic. So I say Android is not an example, and desktop is fine, leaving the only example of problems as Apple. Even if I think that's collusion, just Apple doing a thing is not collusion over the general market of browser makers. But I'm also skeptical that it's collusion. Apple always offers limited choices and bad customizability.

dizhn 2y ago

They might want to push Privacy Pass with their own browser. It requires an extension on Chrome and Firefox.