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Safari and Firefox are capable web browsers. Where do people get this outlandish take from?

sebazzz 2y ago
Maybe the actual problem is some people having this sentiment.
southernplaces7 2y ago
Can't speak for Safari, but Firefox has never been anything but a dumpster fire for me. Constant reminders about updates and a UI that slows my computer to a crawl no matter what I do. Yes, I open many tabs and don't use a turbocharged laptop, but the same applies to my Chrome use with next to no problems, so really, fuck you Firefox for not adjusting after decades, as per possible user needs. Chrome seems to manage it, so why can't the Mozilla people with their own expertise and funds? Many new versions and updates of FF that I've tried have claimed to be much smoother and more efficient, only for the exact same shit to start happening across the years and multiple laptops used.
- jmisavage 2y ago
  When was the last time you tried? I have a 2012 Mac mini that runs it like a champ and has done so for a very long time. I only have a handful of plugins but uBlock Origin is one of them.
  - southernplaces7 2y ago
    several times since 2012. The last of these was just last year, on a whimsy in which FF didn't disappoint in by now predictably disappointing.
- rad_gruchalski 2y ago
  Either you need to service your computer or configure your Firefox. I went back to Firefox about 5 years ago and not even once missed Chrome since.
  - nradov 2y ago
    Why should the user need to do that? The browser should automatically configure itself for optimal performance on any reasonable hardware.
    - rad_gruchalski 2y ago
      Because none of what they talk about is a problem. So the problem may lay on their side. Or they roll on a half-a-decade-old sentiment.
    - Twirrim 2y ago
      Firefox does, though. There really aren't these wild and crazy speed issues with it at all, even with fresh out of the box defaults. The only time I've had to touch about:config in the last several years was due to some smartcard related bug caused by an external library, that forced me to tweak firefox's behaviour. Once that bug was resolved, I switched it back. Firefox being slow is well into the self-perpetuating FUD territory.
  - southernplaces7 2y ago
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geor9e 2y ago
Capable is a interesting word choice. Capable means something meets a bare minimum for success. A and B are great. C is fantastic. D is arguably first class. E is capable. When making a free choice, I want the best one, so any lackluster review feels like one of those southern backhanded compliments, getting the message across without insulting it in polite company. Capable perfectly describes my feelings towards Firefox and Safari.
- scarface_74 2y ago
  Seeing that Safari doesn’t drain my battery on my laptop and it doesn’t send my search engine to an adtech company…
  - sneak 2y ago
    It does; Google is the default search in Safari.
    - scarface_74 2y ago
      I meant browsing history. I don’t care about my search history. Even though these days I use the paid ChatGPT with the web search tool most of the time. Google is becoming more useless every month
      - geor9e 2y ago
        Chrome Sync (i.e. saving your history + everything else to the cloud so it syncs to all your devices) is an optional setting. Microsoft Edge has the same thing under another name. Safari does too.
        scarface_74 2y ago
        Google also uses your browsing history to create a profile for advertising https://support.google.com/My-Ad-Center-Help/answer/12155451?hl=en#:~:text=Go%20to%20My%20Ad%20Center,certain%20sensitive%20ad%20topics%2C%20including: https://support.google.com/My-Ad-Center-Help/answer/12155451... And Apple provides end to end encryption of browsing history so it can’t decrypt your browsing history https://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2021/03/25/whats-in-your-browser-backup/ https://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2021/03/25/whats-in... > What’s interesting about the Apple decision is that it appears to explicitly separate browsing history and bookmarks, rather than lumping them into a single take-it-or-leave-it package. Apple doesn’t claim to provide any end-to-end encryption guarantees whatsoever for bookmarks: presumably someone who resets your iCloud account password can get those. But your browsing history is protected in a way that even Apple won’t be able to access, in case the FBI show up with a subpoena.

Maybe the actual problem is some people having this sentiment.

Can't speak for Safari, but Firefox has never been anything but a dumpster fire for me. Constant reminders about updates and a UI that slows my computer to a crawl no matter what I do. Yes, I open many tabs and don't use a turbocharged laptop, but the same applies to my Chrome use with next to no problems, so really, fuck you Firefox for not adjusting after decades, as per possible user needs. Chrome seems to manage it, so why can't the Mozilla people with their own expertise and funds? Many new versions and updates of FF that I've tried have claimed to be much smoother and more efficient, only for the exact same shit to start happening across the years and multiple laptops used.

jmisavage 2y ago
When was the last time you tried? I have a 2012 Mac mini that runs it like a champ and has done so for a very long time. I only have a handful of plugins but uBlock Origin is one of them.
- southernplaces7 2y ago
  several times since 2012. The last of these was just last year, on a whimsy in which FF didn't disappoint in by now predictably disappointing.
rad_gruchalski 2y ago
Either you need to service your computer or configure your Firefox. I went back to Firefox about 5 years ago and not even once missed Chrome since.
- nradov 2y ago
  Why should the user need to do that? The browser should automatically configure itself for optimal performance on any reasonable hardware.
  - rad_gruchalski 2y ago
    Because none of what they talk about is a problem. So the problem may lay on their side. Or they roll on a half-a-decade-old sentiment.
  - Twirrim 2y ago
    Firefox does, though. There really aren't these wild and crazy speed issues with it at all, even with fresh out of the box defaults. The only time I've had to touch about:config in the last several years was due to some smartcard related bug caused by an external library, that forced me to tweak firefox's behaviour. Once that bug was resolved, I switched it back. Firefox being slow is well into the self-perpetuating FUD territory.
- southernplaces7 2y ago
  [dead]

geor9e 2y ago

Capable is a interesting word choice. Capable means something meets a bare minimum for success. A and B are great. C is fantastic. D is arguably first class. E is capable. When making a free choice, I want the best one, so any lackluster review feels like one of those southern backhanded compliments, getting the message across without insulting it in polite company. Capable perfectly describes my feelings towards Firefox and Safari.

scarface_74 2y ago
Seeing that Safari doesn’t drain my battery on my laptop and it doesn’t send my search engine to an adtech company…
- sneak 2y ago
  It does; Google is the default search in Safari.
  - scarface_74 2y ago
    I meant browsing history. I don’t care about my search history. Even though these days I use the paid ChatGPT with the web search tool most of the time. Google is becoming more useless every month
    - geor9e 2y ago
      Chrome Sync (i.e. saving your history + everything else to the cloud so it syncs to all your devices) is an optional setting. Microsoft Edge has the same thing under another name. Safari does too.
      - scarface_74 2y ago
        Google also uses your browsing history to create a profile for advertising https://support.google.com/My-Ad-Center-Help/answer/12155451?hl=en#:~:text=Go%20to%20My%20Ad%20Center,certain%20sensitive%20ad%20topics%2C%20including: https://support.google.com/My-Ad-Center-Help/answer/12155451... And Apple provides end to end encryption of browsing history so it can’t decrypt your browsing history https://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2021/03/25/whats-in-your-browser-backup/ https://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2021/03/25/whats-in... > What’s interesting about the Apple decision is that it appears to explicitly separate browsing history and bookmarks, rather than lumping them into a single take-it-or-leave-it package. Apple doesn’t claim to provide any end-to-end encryption guarantees whatsoever for bookmarks: presumably someone who resets your iCloud account password can get those. But your browsing history is protected in a way that even Apple won’t be able to access, in case the FBI show up with a subpoena.