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I love how when the FT broke the story, the german government investigated the FT for attacking their champion. If they had instead investigated, Jan Marsalek,

I love how when the FT broke the story, the german government investigated the FT for attacking their champion. If they had instead investigated, Jan Marsalek, who seems to really be a foreign agent, he might not have evaded the authorities.

perihelions 2y ago
https://www.ft.com/content/4ebd9032-d3d1-4a9e-976c-d1235448ee20 https://www.ft.com/content/4ebd9032-d3d1-4a9e-976c-d1235448e... ("German prosecutor drops Wirecard investigation into FT reporters") https://archive.is/l5j76 https://archive.is/l5j76 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19737795 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19737795 It's really astounding incompetence/dysfunction.
- marcinzm 2y ago
  >It's really astounding incompetence/dysfunction. The word is probably "corruption."
  - cactusplant7374 2y ago
    It's only recently that Germany has considered Russia a threat. You would think Russia's attempt to destroy their economy would be a sign to move away from Nord Stream.
    - immibis 2y ago
      In both the USA and Germany, people in power do not care about the well-being of their country as long as they can enrich themselves. They even both use the same fearmongering about immigrants to get votes.
      - 9dev 2y ago
        I think the xenophobia is actually coming from the lower layers of the society, and are merely picked up and directed into political actions by cunning politicians. It’s like a stream of lava that flows where they guide it to and destroys anything in its path.
        immibis 2y ago
        I think there's always at least a background low level of xenophobia, and it's the choice of politicians to amplify it until it becomes a significant force in society. By the way, xenophobia, homophobia, transphobia, etc are reduced by mere exposure to other races, gay people, trans people, etc in a normal setting.
      - account42 2y ago
        The people in power in Germany are not "fearmongering" about immigrants, they are inviting them. To enrich themselves and/or collect feel good points at the expense of the population of course, you're right about that part.
  - astrange 2y ago
    Germans aren't corrupt so much as psychotically trusting. Basically a country of scam victims who'll listen to anyone who wants them to shut down nuclear plants, buy Russian gas, conquer Europe, etc.
    - lajosbacs 2y ago
      This is so well put, I have much admiration for Germans, but they just feel so gullible.
      - pavlov 2y ago
        Germans revered a business leader who turned out to be a Russian asset. But at least they accepted the evidence when it was presented. Americans elected a president who behaves exactly like a Russian asset. And no evidence could make them change their mind about it. Who are the gullible people again?
        bloomingeek 2y ago
        I agree and I'm from the states. History will be unkind to trump and the GOP, who are playing with people's lives and fire.
        jdhendrickson 2y ago
        It depends on who writes the history books in the states, and it's not looking good.
        lostlogin 2y ago
        It also depends on whether book written is deemed illegal.
        kevinventullo 2y ago
        Winners create the 5-second infotainment TikTok historical summary.
preisschild 2y ago
Also, Austrian politicians from the party which has a friendship contract with Putins party, helped him escape from EUrope. And those morons had almost 30% of votes last election, but fortunately didn't get into government because no other parties wanted to work with them under their conditions.
- lostmsu 2y ago
  Where can I read more on Austria's ties with Russia?
  - bmicraft 2y ago
    Not Austria but the FPÖ specifically. Google "Strache Ibiza" for one of the most important events in that regard.
    - preisschild 2y ago
      Its not only the FPÖ though, our ex-president from the SPÖ (social democrats), for example, joked with Vladimir Putin shortly after the Invasion of Crimea about Austria getting parts of Ukraine that were once part of Austria-Hungary.
  - preisschild 2y ago
    https://www.politico.eu/article/vladimir-putin-austria-spy-service-bvt-government-intelligence-wirecard-jan-marsalek-freedom-party/ https://www.politico.eu/article/vladimir-putin-austria-spy-s...
  - daedrdev 2y ago
    Austria is infamous for being overrun with spies. "'It’s really the Wild West’: Vienna’s spying problem spins out of control" https://www.ft.com/content/f790d8f4-2fe1-466d-8b29-83b1f4956984 https://www.ft.com/content/f790d8f4-2fe1-466d-8b29-83b1f4956...

perihelions 2y ago

https://www.ft.com/content/4ebd9032-d3d1-4a9e-976c-d1235448ee20 https://www.ft.com/content/4ebd9032-d3d1-4a9e-976c-d1235448e... ("German prosecutor drops Wirecard investigation into FT reporters") https://archive.is/l5j76 https://archive.is/l5j76 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19737795 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19737795 It's really astounding incompetence/dysfunction.

marcinzm 2y ago
>It's really astounding incompetence/dysfunction. The word is probably "corruption."
- cactusplant7374 2y ago
  It's only recently that Germany has considered Russia a threat. You would think Russia's attempt to destroy their economy would be a sign to move away from Nord Stream.
  - immibis 2y ago
    In both the USA and Germany, people in power do not care about the well-being of their country as long as they can enrich themselves. They even both use the same fearmongering about immigrants to get votes.
    - 9dev 2y ago
      I think the xenophobia is actually coming from the lower layers of the society, and are merely picked up and directed into political actions by cunning politicians. It’s like a stream of lava that flows where they guide it to and destroys anything in its path.
      - immibis 2y ago
        I think there's always at least a background low level of xenophobia, and it's the choice of politicians to amplify it until it becomes a significant force in society. By the way, xenophobia, homophobia, transphobia, etc are reduced by mere exposure to other races, gay people, trans people, etc in a normal setting.
    - account42 2y ago
      The people in power in Germany are not "fearmongering" about immigrants, they are inviting them. To enrich themselves and/or collect feel good points at the expense of the population of course, you're right about that part.
- astrange 2y ago
  Germans aren't corrupt so much as psychotically trusting. Basically a country of scam victims who'll listen to anyone who wants them to shut down nuclear plants, buy Russian gas, conquer Europe, etc.
  - lajosbacs 2y ago
    This is so well put, I have much admiration for Germans, but they just feel so gullible.
    - pavlov 2y ago
      Germans revered a business leader who turned out to be a Russian asset. But at least they accepted the evidence when it was presented. Americans elected a president who behaves exactly like a Russian asset. And no evidence could make them change their mind about it. Who are the gullible people again?
      - bloomingeek 2y ago
        I agree and I'm from the states. History will be unkind to trump and the GOP, who are playing with people's lives and fire.
        jdhendrickson 2y ago
        It depends on who writes the history books in the states, and it's not looking good.
        lostlogin 2y ago
        It also depends on whether book written is deemed illegal.
        kevinventullo 2y ago
        Winners create the 5-second infotainment TikTok historical summary.

preisschild 2y ago

Also, Austrian politicians from the party which has a friendship contract with Putins party, helped him escape from EUrope. And those morons had almost 30% of votes last election, but fortunately didn't get into government because no other parties wanted to work with them under their conditions.

lostmsu 2y ago
Where can I read more on Austria's ties with Russia?
- bmicraft 2y ago
  Not Austria but the FPÖ specifically. Google "Strache Ibiza" for one of the most important events in that regard.
  - preisschild 2y ago
    Its not only the FPÖ though, our ex-president from the SPÖ (social democrats), for example, joked with Vladimir Putin shortly after the Invasion of Crimea about Austria getting parts of Ukraine that were once part of Austria-Hungary.
- preisschild 2y ago
  https://www.politico.eu/article/vladimir-putin-austria-spy-service-bvt-government-intelligence-wirecard-jan-marsalek-freedom-party/ https://www.politico.eu/article/vladimir-putin-austria-spy-s...
- daedrdev 2y ago
  Austria is infamous for being overrun with spies. "'It’s really the Wild West’: Vienna’s spying problem spins out of control" https://www.ft.com/content/f790d8f4-2fe1-466d-8b29-83b1f4956984 https://www.ft.com/content/f790d8f4-2fe1-466d-8b29-83b1f4956...