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Coffee reduces risk of Type 2 Diabetes; okay to add cream, but not sweetener
- glass_door 2y ago[dead]
- sky2224 2y agoSomewhat related post: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42625193 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42625193 It seems like having sugary drinks is not just bad for you, but like really bad for you.
- butterlettuce 2y ago40g of sugar in one can of soda is pancreatic terrorism. I always wonder why I see “quit smoking” PSAs on TV, but not for sugar bombs like soda or even Starbucks fraps.
- alliao 2y agomy go to drink for pancreatic terrorism as of late is Dunkin Donut's Caramel Creme Frozen Coffee - Large at 172g of sugar per serving
- jonpalmisc 2y agoI can't believe it's even legal to sell those. That seems simply insane.
- voidfunc 2y agoYour body, your choice. At least with cigarettes there was a public nuisance argument because of the smell and also the secondhand effect. I dont find general public health a compelling argument for restricting sugar.
- ekianjo 2y agoYou don't need to restrict it. Just educate people about its effect. That's the least you can do
- setnone 2y agoI'm with you here, those white organic powders should have no restrictions whatsoever.
- xethos 2y agoThat's semi-reasonable in America, but less so in any country with single-payer health care. Like smoking, there are serious effects later in life that cost money to treat; this makes for a compelling case for a sin tax IMO, like we have for tobacco and liquor here in Canada.
- billfor 2y agoWon’t the smokers die earlier and save the government old age benefits?
- Faaak 2y agoCancer costs a lot. And surgeries, and palliative measures for people with bpco, etc..
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- epicureanideal 2y agoSo if we vote for a single payer healthcare system, we get a back door for government tyranny over every little aspect of our lives that they decide is bad for us, including as the science shifts? Don’t eat eggs or you lose your coverage, no wait, eat 3 eggs a week or you lose your coverage, no wait.. Sounds like a bad deal, and most Americans will take freedom over free health care if that’s the cost.
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- hilux 2y agoMy best guess, and I've thought about this a lot, is that chronic illness drives billions of dollars of direct economic activity. Of course, illness has an even larger cost to society and to overall happiness, but that's much less measurable, and therefore has less effect on public policy.
- setnone 2y agoThis is levels above terrorism. Remember the good times when it was sold as prescription drug in pharmacies?
- OhioMan2943 2y agoInteresting, I'm more partial to the white castle large strawberry shake at 178g of sugar per serving. I find it really covers the recommended american intake of 24g of sugar per day.
- pimeys 2y agoIt is a crazy amount of carbs. As a type 1 diabetic pizza is typically one of the trickiest foods to compensate with insulin. And that is only about 100 grams of carbs. That thing is almost double. And in pure sugar form...
- sgt 2y agoHow much is a donut? I think Elon Musk says he eats quite a few through the day. Yet he's healthy as an old race horse.
- ForTheKidz 2y agoI thought the bad part about donuts was the being fried part
- occz 2y agoWhat evidence is there to support the claim that Elon Musk is "healthy as an old race horse"?
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- ahoka 2y agoWell with the proposed cut of Medicaid the problem will solve itself. It will be harder to go to Dunkin Donuts without legs.
- ekianjo 2y agoBig sugar
- globular-toast 2y agoWe haven't come to generally accept food as an addiction yet. We still talk about obesity (a symptom) and not food addiction (the problem). It would be like saying lung cancer is a problem but only very vaguely hinting that you might want to cut down on the smoking.
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- genewitch 2y agoI made a decision about 13 or 14 years ago to not drink my calories and it took another 11 years to actually cease all liquid calories - booze has a lot. I do put a splash of heavy cream in my coffee, otherwise I wouldn't drink coffee at all, as unsweet iced tea is a more palatable flavor to me. But I don't like hot tea or cold coffee. I understand cream has calories, but I have to take a small bit of fat to allow certain medicines to work, am I only have coffee a few times a week. Like 3 "cups" a week. Peanut butter, before anyone wonders.
- jimbob45 2y agoSame and within the same timeframe. It occurred to me that eating calories is a lot harder than drinking them so I made up a diet of the only liquid being water and no desserts. I’ve since refined it but the base idea was reasonably effective.
- __turbobrew__ 2y agoSame, I no longer drink any calories outside of exceptional cases such as supplements when running long distances. Black coffee and water are the only things I drink. Haven't drank alcohol in a while either. Not only is giant sugar spikes bad for your glucose levels, I have seen several suggestions that high sugar levels increases the rates of cancer: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9775518/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9775518/ Concentrated sugar is a poison.
- DidYaWipe 2y agoTry better coffee. Seriously. Get LIGHT-roast beans, grind them yourself, and get a Chemex. Dark-roasted coffee is shitty beans that are burned to cover up their poor quality: https://medium.com/@stoffel.brian/the-real-reason-coffee-at-starbucks-tastes-bitter-and-burned-b4ab8ab81919 https://medium.com/@stoffel.brian/the-real-reason-coffee-at-...
- globular-toast 2y agoThis. I would also consider a V60. Note the grinder is the most important bit and should set you back at least 10x as much as the brewer. Note also that pour over coffee is a skill and it will take a while to learn to brew nice coffee that can be (should be) enjoyed black. Also, if you buy "speciality" beans then their highest level of roast is still lighter than what Starbucks would call "light".
- yumraj 2y agoI’ve always wondered if these coffee benefits apply to consumption of instant coffee also which is dried and processed, or just brewed coffee which is not processed post-brewing.
- plaguuuuuu 2y agoI suspect that any measurable effects would be some spurious correlation derived from the difference between the type of person who would have instant vs espresso machine coffee (eg socioeconomic)
- vjerancrnjak 2y agoWhat usually happens is that studies do some statistical magic to eliminate such confounding factors. I don’t think it works.
- moandcompany 2y agoIt would be interesting to analyze a dataset of commercially sold prepared "coffee" drinks from vendors like Starbucks to see how many are actually coffee, versus coffee-flavored soft drinks, and how this changed over the last few decades.
- Spivak 2y agoI think at this point this has basically become an old man yells at cloud take. Folks ordering at Starbucks know exactly what they're getting down to the number of pumps. You've always been able to get any form of unadulterated coffee hot or cold. All the drinks are coffee, you can find the worker manual for Starbucks floating around online and it has all the drink recipes. And it's because coffee is crazy cheap, it would be more effort to fake it. Most of their desert drinks use espresso pulls as the base coffee flavor. It's hard to work around the fact that coffee, dairy, and sugar taste really good together. Coffee really wants to be a dessert, it's why it's in so many of them. Starbucks just rolled with that and people love it.
- toast0 2y agoGiven that this is an association study, I like to interpret it as if you drink coffee and you often add sweetener, you may be more likely to develop type w diabetes than others who drink coffee and don't add sweetener. Not adding sweetener because it's associated with type 2 diabetes is probably less protective than being the type of person who naturally didn't add sweeteners. Sugar in my soda, cream in my coffee thanks.
- blackqueeriroh 2y agoExcept that the change in the impact also happened with artificial sweetener.
- jemmyw 2y agoyes, thus their point. It's probably not the sweetener or sugar in the coffee, it's that folks who add sweetener are also more likely to have a lifestyle that gives them type 2.
- mistercow 2y agoOr a separate effect where people whose doctors tell them they’re a diabetes risk tend to make a token switch to artificial sweeteners, but don’t take other, more effective steps.
- readthenotes1 2y agoHopefully their doctors would also have told them that using artificial sweeteners doesn't help protect against insulin resistance.
- m463 2y agoI kind of wonder if this is just caffeine and higher metabolism, weight loss. Like caffeine might work. but meth might work too.
- iancmceachern 2y agoYo, Mr. White Meth might reduce your risk of type 2 diabetes but it has all kinds of other side effects.
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- Scoundreller 2y agoHow do the long term low dose adderall and Ritalin people do?
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- sitharus 2y agoAbsolutely fine if used for ADHD, but it’s not the same question because the effects on people without ADHD are different.
- jemmyw 2y agothat seems unlikely. I was looking into it the other day out of curiosity because of ADHD being . The effects of the same dosage on someone without ADHD is pretty much the same as with, it makes people feel more focussed.
- alexey-salmin 2y agoI think the question above was about side effects, is there a reason to believe they are any different with and without ADHD? Even regarding the main effect, my understanding is that it's "concentration boost" in both cases, just seen more socially acceptable for people who lack concentration in the first place. Is there any study that would demonstrate the difference?
- metalman 2y agoCoffee reduces risk of Type 2 Diabetes; okay to add cream, but not sweetener. What?, no, it is not ok to add cream or sweetener. It is permissible to add more coffee, a "shot in the dark", coffee with a couple of shots of espresso, or just a mug of espresso. Fresh made,carefully selected beens roasted by obsessives,stove top espresso machine that isn't parsimonious, and produces a full measure, once a day, early in the day. The idea of anything else, produces in me what must be like a gallick umbrage, but of course not so all encompassing and consuming as bieng french.
- kacesensitive 2y agoBreaking: sugar causes diabetes
- sky2224 2y agoThe specific thing I'm pointing out is sugar in drinks. As someone pointed out in the thread I linked, it seems like there's a big difference in how your body handles liquid sugar versus sugar that's in food. There are plenty of people that have lots of sugar in food (i.e., a lot American food has copious amounts of sugar in breads and other non-sweet type food) but don't have diabetes.
- consp 2y agoThere are many types of sugar and digestive pathways. Solid vs liquid intake tells you hardly anything. Until someone tests liquid vs solid dextrose difference and then for all other types I'm not going to be impressed. Time chewing is also a factor for food.
- kla-s 2y agoTo add some nuance, unused/unnecessary sugar will cause diabetes. If you are in high cardiovascular load consuming more than you can take in as eg with long distance triathlon, to my knowledge you will not increase your diabetes risk. It's more a matching supply and demand thing.
- hilux 2y agoIs that sarcasm? If cause-and-effect are so obvious, why do so many Americans continue to consume sugar to the point of diabetes?
- kacesensitive 2y agoSugar is addictive
- fumufumu 2y agoIs this a valid study? (most dietary studies are pretty poor) Is it the lack of sugar or is that people who don't put sugar in their coffee have a bunch of other things they do? Maybe people who don't put sugar in their coffee are less likely to eat donuts. Maybe people who don't put sugar in their coffee are more likely to workout. Maybe people who don't put sugar in their coffee are more like to have better genes for T2D and that same collection of genes makes the predisposed to not put sugar in their coffee. I'm not saying sugar isn't bad. It is! (I don't put sugar in my coffee) But, 1 teaspoon a cup doesn't sound like enough to have a measurable impact without knowing that everything else about the people is the same. Reminds me this podcast https://podcast.clearerthinking.org/episode/252/gordon-guyatt-evidence-based-medicine-and-its-discontents/ https://podcast.clearerthinking.org/episode/252/gordon-guyat...
- DidYaWipe 2y agoAlso: Does the addition of milk to coffee nullify or reduce its antioxidant effects, the way it reportedly does to tea?
- card_zero 2y agoDoes "antioxidant" there just refer to tannin, really? If you like tea strong, it's necessary to add some milk to bind to some of the tannins so it remains drinkable and doesn't try to turn your esophagus to leather.
- wave-function 2y ago> it's necessary This is silly, many societies drink tons of strong black tea without polluting it with milk or sugar, and do just fine. (I come from one, and have never had any problems with my esophagus — maybe it has already turned into leather without me noticing?) It does often cause nausea on an empty stomach, though, so filling it with something first might actually be useful.
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- rukshn 2y agoSomething that my medical professor used to tell us was that sugar and salt are man made things (processed sugar). And not something we found in nature and something that our bodies are not evolutionary developed to handle. So too much of salt and sugar was a good thing. So which makes sense
- johnisgood 2y agoDid you mean to say "too much of salt and sugar WASN'T a good thing"? Isn't sugar sugar, no matter in what form?
- refactor_master 2y agoSalt is a manmade thing? Espresso and cappuccino isn’t? I… what?
- coldtea 2y ago>Salt is a manmade thing? Plants and animal meat don't have salt - they have sodium (or sodium ions). Humans harvest, refine, and even enrich (e.g. with iodine) salt deposits to create table salt used in cooking and produced food stuff.
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- PeterStuer 2y agoSalt is manmade? Ever visit a saltmine?
- ndsipa_pomu 2y agoOr a sea/ocean
- hilux 2y agoHe may have a point about sugar. We can live happy and healthy lives without consuming any sugar, ever. But salt? We need to ingest salt. Not necessarily out of a little plastic shaker, but in some form.
- nashashmi 2y agoI stopped coffee. My sugar levels went up and my weight went up too. Coffee kept me working hard. It also affected my bowel movement negatively. So no coffee meant lazier, more nutritious lifestyle.
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- potatoman22 2y agoIt's really deceptive how the title of this post implies causality despite the study not stating a causal link exists. "Coffee reduces risk of T2DM" is much different than the author's conclusion: "Adding sugar or artificial sweetener significantly attenuates the magnitude of the inverse association between higher coffee consumption and T2D risk, whereas the use of cream do not alter the inverse association." The key word there is "association."