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I mean, it's been almost two decades. At some point, things just don't work anymore, even if two decades is significantly less time than other DVDs.

throwaway48476 2y ago
It's an order of magnitude less due to a manufacturing error in one factory.
skyyler 2y ago
I have CDs from the 80s that still work. Heck, I have DiscoVision discs from the 70s that still work. DVDs from 2006 should definitely still work.
- joezydeco 2y ago
  RTA. They're defective.
  - Ukv 2y ago
    skyyler is refuting a comment that implies this is expected by mentioning that their own (non-defective) discs have lasted ~50 years and counting.
- 6SixTy 2y ago
  Laserdiscs/DiscoVision are analog, they can technically still work but their image quality could be heavily degraded. Also, storage conditions can deeply affect how well a medium lasts but that's no excuse for defective discs.
- m463 2y ago
  One thing I've noticed with older era CDs is that they were heavy and frequently not balanced to play at 48x
  - toast0 2y ago
    Intended use was playing at 1x. I don't think many players had a fast-forward either, just skip tracks or skip a few seconds by seeking the laser.
nerdponx 2y ago
Except for the fact that they are (and were at the time) expected to still work. It would be like if you had a known batch of badly-bound books that fell apart prematurely even under good storage conditions.
mingus88 2y ago
https://superuser.com/questions/251369/what-is-the-lifespan-of-dvd-and-blu-ray-discs#251372 https://superuser.com/questions/251369/what-is-the-lifespan-... When your media is advertised to last for 100 years, it is reasonable to want a replacement when it lasts less than a quarter of that time
- hombre_fatal 2y ago
  I don't think it's obviously reasonable unless you also get (or pay for) a 100 year manufacturer's warranty. Yet the comments here talk like we have norms that don't exist. The actual norms we have are that you're SOL if your product breaks after the warranty, even due to a defect, and even for things that cost 1000x the price of a DVD.
  - snailmailstare 2y ago
    In the case of copyright you are not buying the media. You are buying a licensed right sent as media. If they wish to make no impediments to making a backup then maybe they have no fault.
    - hombre_fatal 2y ago
      You are buying a DVD with the content on it. That's why it's $15 and not some sort of unlimited digital license that Netflex pays $millions for. The fact that it's a limited license attached to the physical disc only makes my case more clear, I think. There's even less expectation that I have some claim to the content if the disc breaks in 20 years.
      - TylerE 2y ago
        I don't understand why so many posters in this thread are being seemingly intentionally obtuse and insisting that the terms of of the original transaction are something entirely different from what it was. I expect better from this sites users than such naivety.

throwaway48476 2y ago

It's an order of magnitude less due to a manufacturing error in one factory.

skyyler 2y ago

I have CDs from the 80s that still work. Heck, I have DiscoVision discs from the 70s that still work. DVDs from 2006 should definitely still work.

joezydeco 2y ago
RTA. They're defective.
- Ukv 2y ago
  skyyler is refuting a comment that implies this is expected by mentioning that their own (non-defective) discs have lasted ~50 years and counting.
6SixTy 2y ago
Laserdiscs/DiscoVision are analog, they can technically still work but their image quality could be heavily degraded. Also, storage conditions can deeply affect how well a medium lasts but that's no excuse for defective discs.
m463 2y ago
One thing I've noticed with older era CDs is that they were heavy and frequently not balanced to play at 48x
- toast0 2y ago
  Intended use was playing at 1x. I don't think many players had a fast-forward either, just skip tracks or skip a few seconds by seeking the laser.

nerdponx 2y ago

Except for the fact that they are (and were at the time) expected to still work. It would be like if you had a known batch of badly-bound books that fell apart prematurely even under good storage conditions.

mingus88 2y ago

https://superuser.com/questions/251369/what-is-the-lifespan-of-dvd-and-blu-ray-discs#251372 https://superuser.com/questions/251369/what-is-the-lifespan-... When your media is advertised to last for 100 years, it is reasonable to want a replacement when it lasts less than a quarter of that time

hombre_fatal 2y ago
I don't think it's obviously reasonable unless you also get (or pay for) a 100 year manufacturer's warranty. Yet the comments here talk like we have norms that don't exist. The actual norms we have are that you're SOL if your product breaks after the warranty, even due to a defect, and even for things that cost 1000x the price of a DVD.
- snailmailstare 2y ago
  In the case of copyright you are not buying the media. You are buying a licensed right sent as media. If they wish to make no impediments to making a backup then maybe they have no fault.
  - hombre_fatal 2y ago
    You are buying a DVD with the content on it. That's why it's $15 and not some sort of unlimited digital license that Netflex pays $millions for. The fact that it's a limited license attached to the physical disc only makes my case more clear, I think. There's even less expectation that I have some claim to the content if the disc breaks in 20 years.
    - TylerE 2y ago
      I don't understand why so many posters in this thread are being seemingly intentionally obtuse and insisting that the terms of of the original transaction are something entirely different from what it was. I expect better from this sites users than such naivety.