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There's also the shady components of discord. All manner of illegal activity thrives behind custom access control. The most notable instance in media is the le

by elif 2y ago

There's also the shady components of discord. All manner of illegal activity thrives behind custom access control. The most notable instance in media is the leaking of classified materials, the creation of swatting/ddos communities which gave us the 'BigBalls' hacker employed by doge, But more sickeneningly recently it allowed this doctor to successfully target countless children, including convincing a 13 year old girl to hang herself in a live discord call. [0] There is a problem with too much protection of freedom and secrecy. [0] https://youtu.be/GgfGhzkq8FE?si=nFahQlTUTsY5WEuI https://youtu.be/GgfGhzkq8FE?si=nFahQlTUTsY5WEuI

elif 2y ago
I guess my point is, do we as a society want our children's Roblox communities to share a platform with virtually every cyber criminal, behind security and secrecy measures completely at the will of arbitrary discord owners?
api 2y ago
Telegram is the undisputed king of shady shit, at least insofar as centralized services go.
- elif 2y ago
  Yea but how many children's games use telegram to manage their community?
stackskipton 2y ago
I don't think Discord has anymore shady activities than any other large scale social media platform. When I helped moderate a very large server, we had access to Discord Trust and Safety team and they were trying against what is a massive flood. Automated moderation is extremely difficult even with all AI tools unless you 100% block any NSFW content and sexual messaging and even then, you will get false positives. I do find it interesting that we hold these platforms liable but not the phone/pager/mail service. If this doctor had called this girl on her cell phone, no one would be mad at Verizon. Part of the problem is most parents have no clue about social media/communication tools outside what they use. At my church, I gave presentation about Discord and it was shocking to see how clueless parents were.
- FireBeyond 2y ago
  Disboard is the biggest Discord search engine. It is trivial to find servers with adult topics (BDSM) targeted at minors. It is trivial to find servers that combine those topics with problematic age ranges (like BDSM-themed servers with no ID verification, 'ages 14-28 welcome'). It is trivial to find servers with minors openly selling "content". Disboard isn't Discord but these things aren't even being remotely "hidden", it is these servers' sole 'purpose'.
- abdullahkhalids 2y ago
  > I do find it interesting that we hold these platforms liable but not the phone/pager/mail service. Phone and mail networks in letter and spirit obey the law: they don't listen to people's private conversations and they give up complete user info on request by law enforcement. There is nothing more they can do. Discord has built the capability to read every message, public or private, that any user sends. So they are ethically obligated to stop bad things happening on their platform. Whatsapp/Signal have built their platforms so they can't read user private messages, so they have no ethical obligations to stop bad things happening on their platform, beyond banning users in response to legal orders.
  - protocolture 2y ago
    >Discord has built the capability to read every message, public or private, that any user sends So they need to get rid of that capability
  - hiatus 2y ago
    > Whatsapp/Signal have built their platforms so they can't read user private messages, so they have no ethical obligations to stop bad things happening on their platform Why draw the line there? Why don't those platforms have an ethical obligation to build the features that would allow them to stop bad things happening on their platform? Especially if they knowingly developed the current implementation specifically to avoid ethical culpability?
    - abdullahkhalids 2y ago
aryan14 2y ago
This isn’t fair to say. Any platform that’s popular will have its share of undesirable users, out of the company’s control. Discord has very good moderation in contrast to other platforms (Constant banwaves on illegal/shady servers, terminating accounts frequently, etc)
- elif 2y ago
  Haven't heard of any other platforms that use cartoons in the UI, actively associate with kids hobbies, and also make it one click to join active pedo grooming communities. "very good moderation" makes me believe you work for them because that is a laughable notion. I would bet that Big Balls swatting/SIM swapping/ddos community "the comm" still has dozens of discords that have been up for years
  - Capricorn2481 2y ago
    Any social app with one click to join communities (all of them) will fall under this. And how out of touch with teenagers are you that you think cartoons in the UI (whatever that means) are why they use it. What is a kids hobby? Gaming? You cannot call that a kids hobby.
    - elif 2y ago
      Nah Facebook doesn't have swatting and pedo communities.
      - DaSHacka 2y ago
        Source?

by elif 2y ago

elif 2y ago

I guess my point is, do we as a society want our children's Roblox communities to share a platform with virtually every cyber criminal, behind security and secrecy measures completely at the will of arbitrary discord owners?

api 2y ago

Telegram is the undisputed king of shady shit, at least insofar as centralized services go.

elif 2y ago
Yea but how many children's games use telegram to manage their community?

stackskipton 2y ago

I don't think Discord has anymore shady activities than any other large scale social media platform. When I helped moderate a very large server, we had access to Discord Trust and Safety team and they were trying against what is a massive flood. Automated moderation is extremely difficult even with all AI tools unless you 100% block any NSFW content and sexual messaging and even then, you will get false positives. I do find it interesting that we hold these platforms liable but not the phone/pager/mail service. If this doctor had called this girl on her cell phone, no one would be mad at Verizon. Part of the problem is most parents have no clue about social media/communication tools outside what they use. At my church, I gave presentation about Discord and it was shocking to see how clueless parents were.

FireBeyond 2y ago
Disboard is the biggest Discord search engine. It is trivial to find servers with adult topics (BDSM) targeted at minors. It is trivial to find servers that combine those topics with problematic age ranges (like BDSM-themed servers with no ID verification, 'ages 14-28 welcome'). It is trivial to find servers with minors openly selling "content". Disboard isn't Discord but these things aren't even being remotely "hidden", it is these servers' sole 'purpose'.
abdullahkhalids 2y ago
> I do find it interesting that we hold these platforms liable but not the phone/pager/mail service. Phone and mail networks in letter and spirit obey the law: they don't listen to people's private conversations and they give up complete user info on request by law enforcement. There is nothing more they can do. Discord has built the capability to read every message, public or private, that any user sends. So they are ethically obligated to stop bad things happening on their platform. Whatsapp/Signal have built their platforms so they can't read user private messages, so they have no ethical obligations to stop bad things happening on their platform, beyond banning users in response to legal orders.
- protocolture 2y ago
  >Discord has built the capability to read every message, public or private, that any user sends So they need to get rid of that capability
- hiatus 2y ago
  > Whatsapp/Signal have built their platforms so they can't read user private messages, so they have no ethical obligations to stop bad things happening on their platform Why draw the line there? Why don't those platforms have an ethical obligation to build the features that would allow them to stop bad things happening on their platform? Especially if they knowingly developed the current implementation specifically to avoid ethical culpability?
  - abdullahkhalids 2y ago

aryan14 2y ago

This isn’t fair to say. Any platform that’s popular will have its share of undesirable users, out of the company’s control. Discord has very good moderation in contrast to other platforms (Constant banwaves on illegal/shady servers, terminating accounts frequently, etc)

elif 2y ago
Haven't heard of any other platforms that use cartoons in the UI, actively associate with kids hobbies, and also make it one click to join active pedo grooming communities. "very good moderation" makes me believe you work for them because that is a laughable notion. I would bet that Big Balls swatting/SIM swapping/ddos community "the comm" still has dozens of discords that have been up for years
- Capricorn2481 2y ago
  Any social app with one click to join communities (all of them) will fall under this. And how out of touch with teenagers are you that you think cartoons in the UI (whatever that means) are why they use it. What is a kids hobby? Gaming? You cannot call that a kids hobby.
  - elif 2y ago
    Nah Facebook doesn't have swatting and pedo communities.
    - DaSHacka 2y ago
      Source?