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> It reminds of my first month of law school when some chipper professors painfully educated us on "Sheperdizing" case decisions using the printed volumes Not

> It reminds of my first month of law school when some chipper professors painfully educated us on "Sheperdizing" case decisions using the printed volumes Not really understanding your argument. I would expect, not being a lawyer, that the classes in the first months of law school would serve to do more than teach specific case law. Maybe get students indoctrinated into the anarchistic[0] ways of the judiciary or something? Though... I have heard that lawyers have been very successful in getting sanctions from using ChatGPT in pleadings so you do you. --edit-- [0] Or even "archaic" but I like the typo...

tzs 2y ago
I believe he's objecting to having to learn how to do legal research using printed books instead of entirely online. Here's an old comment describing how legal research was in the days before everything was computerized [1] if you are curious. The specific thing he mentioned, "Sheperdizing" is the word for using the series of books from the Frank Shepard Company which are mentioned at the end of that comment. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8491076 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8491076
- UncleEntity 2y ago
  Still don't understand the argument as they are inherently the same thing. What I gather is they are teaching students how to research case law and the medium is completely irrelevant to that task. I suspect the concept is the most important part. Though, as always, I'm probably completely wrong and this is just some gatekeeping conspiracy to keep the ranks of people with knowledge of the law artificially low.
  - unyttigfjelltol 2y ago
    Here is the process for Shepherdizing in a commercial service online: look at the icon, click on it.[1] Here is the same process performed via printed volumes-- see the link.[2] The point was this exercise was not taught as an incident to case law, the first month of class was specifically about navigating these printed volumes, which may be hard now to even comprehend. The two processes are "inherently the same thing" as much as supermarket shopping is the same as working a farm. Or flipping a light switch is like lighting an oil lamp.[3] Which is to say, these are different skills, which have no clear connection to an ability to prepare a meal, on the one hand, or read a book, on the other. [1] https://www.lexisnexis.com/en-us/products/lexis/shepards.page https://www.lexisnexis.com/en-us/products/lexis/shepards.pag... [2] https://constitution.org/1-Law/uslaw/how2shepardize.htm https://constitution.org/1-Law/uslaw/how2shepardize.htm [3] https://lampity.com/how-to-light-an-oil-lamp/ https://lampity.com/how-to-light-an-oil-lamp/

tzs 2y ago

I believe he's objecting to having to learn how to do legal research using printed books instead of entirely online. Here's an old comment describing how legal research was in the days before everything was computerized [1] if you are curious. The specific thing he mentioned, "Sheperdizing" is the word for using the series of books from the Frank Shepard Company which are mentioned at the end of that comment. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8491076 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8491076

UncleEntity 2y ago
Still don't understand the argument as they are inherently the same thing. What I gather is they are teaching students how to research case law and the medium is completely irrelevant to that task. I suspect the concept is the most important part. Though, as always, I'm probably completely wrong and this is just some gatekeeping conspiracy to keep the ranks of people with knowledge of the law artificially low.
- unyttigfjelltol 2y ago
  Here is the process for Shepherdizing in a commercial service online: look at the icon, click on it.[1] Here is the same process performed via printed volumes-- see the link.[2] The point was this exercise was not taught as an incident to case law, the first month of class was specifically about navigating these printed volumes, which may be hard now to even comprehend. The two processes are "inherently the same thing" as much as supermarket shopping is the same as working a farm. Or flipping a light switch is like lighting an oil lamp.[3] Which is to say, these are different skills, which have no clear connection to an ability to prepare a meal, on the one hand, or read a book, on the other. [1] https://www.lexisnexis.com/en-us/products/lexis/shepards.page https://www.lexisnexis.com/en-us/products/lexis/shepards.pag... [2] https://constitution.org/1-Law/uslaw/how2shepardize.htm https://constitution.org/1-Law/uslaw/how2shepardize.htm [3] https://lampity.com/how-to-light-an-oil-lamp/ https://lampity.com/how-to-light-an-oil-lamp/