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You can frame it however you want but Zelensky was the one who was looking for support. If you don't follow protocol, the you get what happened, which. is compl

You can frame it however you want but Zelensky was the one who was looking for support. If you don't follow protocol, the you get what happened, which. is complete loss of support until you come around

g-b-r 2y ago
He was looking for support, and what he got was an offer to pillage his country. He would have been his country's disgrace if he just signed that "deal" as it stood, and Trump would have boasted about it for years, of how stupid Zelensky had been, and how he stole 500 billions in return for nothing. You can see from the beginning of the press conference that something wasn't right, Zelensky was probably expecting a discussion rather than the direct signing that Trump began talking about. Zelensky, if he didn't want things to break down, for sure exaggerated in how he behaved, he wasn't able to contain his distress. But just signing that agreement, without trying anything, would have been foolish, and things are likely to end better for Ukraine now. I'm bewildered that no attempt was made to get a minerals agreement with Europe, by the way; if Ukraine really has to give up some of its resources, it would be a lot wiser to give them to Europe, you can't place any whatsoever trust in the US right now. A deal with Europe could let them get much more involved with the war, by bolstering the public support for it; and yes, Europe has a lot less military resources than the US, but at least you can rely on its word.
- kelipso 2y ago
  I agree it was a bad deal for Zelensky but he should not have gone to DC in the first place. It gave the impression that he was willing to compromise and since he was not, relations broke down. Europe will need years to build up a military and until then will have to rely on the US for troops, equipment, intelligence. And so they would need permission from the US to do anything. So Ukraine cannot go directly to Europe.
  - g-b-r 2y ago
    Trump didn't want to talk to him, by going he had a good chance to move things I know very little of military stuff, but no one can rely on the US anymore, whether they want it or not. Now I can't access the article where I read it, but if I'm not mistaken Europe on the whole would be the second or third military power in the world.
lm28469 2y ago
The whole thing was out of protocols from the get go, it shouldn't have been in public not filmed

g-b-r 2y ago

He was looking for support, and what he got was an offer to pillage his country. He would have been his country's disgrace if he just signed that "deal" as it stood, and Trump would have boasted about it for years, of how stupid Zelensky had been, and how he stole 500 billions in return for nothing. You can see from the beginning of the press conference that something wasn't right, Zelensky was probably expecting a discussion rather than the direct signing that Trump began talking about. Zelensky, if he didn't want things to break down, for sure exaggerated in how he behaved, he wasn't able to contain his distress. But just signing that agreement, without trying anything, would have been foolish, and things are likely to end better for Ukraine now. I'm bewildered that no attempt was made to get a minerals agreement with Europe, by the way; if Ukraine really has to give up some of its resources, it would be a lot wiser to give them to Europe, you can't place any whatsoever trust in the US right now. A deal with Europe could let them get much more involved with the war, by bolstering the public support for it; and yes, Europe has a lot less military resources than the US, but at least you can rely on its word.

kelipso 2y ago
I agree it was a bad deal for Zelensky but he should not have gone to DC in the first place. It gave the impression that he was willing to compromise and since he was not, relations broke down. Europe will need years to build up a military and until then will have to rely on the US for troops, equipment, intelligence. And so they would need permission from the US to do anything. So Ukraine cannot go directly to Europe.
- g-b-r 2y ago
  Trump didn't want to talk to him, by going he had a good chance to move things I know very little of military stuff, but no one can rely on the US anymore, whether they want it or not. Now I can't access the article where I read it, but if I'm not mistaken Europe on the whole would be the second or third military power in the world.

lm28469 2y ago

The whole thing was out of protocols from the get go, it shouldn't have been in public not filmed