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Volkswagen seeks to counter rivals with budget EV model
- kcb 2y agoSounds like the US needs to target it with tariffs quick. Surely it will be better for our economy to ensure the survival of a couple zombie automakers than it would be to bring accessible EVs to all.
- Tostino 2y ago[flagged]
- jakelazaroff 2y agoYou jest but one reason Chinese EVs aren’t available here is that there’s a 100% tariff on them. One hundred percent! Enacted under Biden, no less.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago> one reason Chinese EVs aren’t available here is that there’s a 100% tariff on them Our egg prices are also high because we block Mexican and Canadian imports. Trump continues a multi-decade trend of taxing consumers to subsidise business owners.
- IncreasePosts 2y agoThe US is the largest egg producer on the planet. We export a huge amount of them(#2, behind Netherlands I think). We don't need eggs to be imported from Mexico or Canada.
- kalleboo 2y agoThe consumers looking at egg prices 3x that of the ones across the border would disagree that they don't need eggs to be imported.
- JumpCrisscross 2y agoI suppose he’ll deliver on his campaign promise when our egg exports are tariffed!
- IncreasePosts 2y agoOkay, and I'm sure Mexican and Canadian consumers would disagree with that because they don't want to deal with egg prices 5x what they're used to. Canada and Mexico don't produce enough eggs to have any effect on the egg shortage in america. Which, to note, has been an issue since 2024. It is not related to any kind of trade war that Trump is starting
- tehjoker 2y agothe egg prices are high because we are culling egg laying hens infected with H5N1 due to pandemic risk
- inverted_flag 2y agoAnd that’s a good thing. Modern cars are rolling surveillance devices. We don’t need CCP eyes in every garage in America. We also don’t want to lose the manufactiring capacity that the domestic auto makers bring.
- tehjoker 2y agoCCP surveillance basically can't hurt us. what are they doing? collecting consumer habits like every American company? What would they do with that info? Make a more consumer competitive product? No wonder we get this propaganda all the time. American surveillance on the other hand, well that's connected to our security forces and can very much hurt you.
- mikestew 2y agoSounds like the US needs to target it with tariffs quick. As if VW would ever bring this to the U. S. Which they’re not.
- throwaway48476 2y agoIt's too small for the US market. EU vehicles are on average much smaller.
- smcleod 2y ago[flagged]
- jdminhbg 2y agoNo, American cars have no part called a 'boot.'
- smcleod 2y agoOh, sorry what do they/you call them? (The storage above the rear axil at the rear for the car)
- dylan604 2y agoJunk in the boot, just don't have the same ring to it
- timerol 2y agoYou can have one added after the fact, though http://philapark.org/wp-content/uploads/P.4.CarBoot.jpg http://philapark.org/wp-content/uploads/P.4.CarBoot.jpg
- technothrasher 2y agoWell, to be pendatic, they do have parts called boots. They are the rubber protectors that go over electrical connectors, cv joints, tie rods, etc. But as far as I know, there are no bonnets.
- afavour 2y agoIt’s too small for the US market, depressingly
- benrutter 2y agoNot an expert but my understanding is Trump's announced but not yet enacted 25% tariffs on EU goods, cars being one of the main motivators[0]. So assumung 25% tariff then 8% sale on top, the $20,000 would wind up at $27,000 sale price for the USA (although like other people have pointed out, this isn't going to be sold in the USA) [0] https://www.statista.com/chart/18771/passenger-car-trade-between-the-eu-and-the-united-states-in-2018/ https://www.statista.com/chart/18771/passenger-car-trade-bet...
- Trailing5650 2y agoFor interested parties in the US, it is not expected to be brought here https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a64054081/vw-id-every1-concept-revealed/ https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a64054081/vw-id-every1-con...
- johndoe0815 2y ago...in 2027, perhaps.
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- 1970-01-01 2y agoPhotos are here https://www.caranddriver.com/photos/g64055076/view-photos-of-the-volkswagen-idevery1-concept/ https://www.caranddriver.com/photos/g64055076/view-photos-of...
- layer8 2y agoThese look like renders.
- cmrdporcupine 2y agoCome make it in Canada.
- throwaway48476 2y agoCanada auto market is just america lite.
- coolspot 2y ago[flagged]
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- gclawes 2y agoCool concept, let's see if they can actually do volume production...
- DC-3 2y agoThere's healthy scepticism, and then there's wondering whether VW can do volume production of hatchbacks.
- metadat 2y agoI'm curious what the final price will be stateside. Claims of a $21,000 price point bear skepticism, these days. Even ignoring trump tarrifs.
- DC-3 2y agoI doubt it will be sold in the US, there is not really any appetite for small cars with limited range.
- metadat 2y agoI'd get one for my teenage kid in a heartbeat. And for around town it'd be fine. Rivian range isn't that much more, they can't even really make it from the Bay Area to Lake Tahoe (< 200 miles).
- scottyah 2y agoThe amount of golf carts and golf-cart adjacent vehicles in my neighborhood (and others, 2022 saw $1bn in sales) seem to differ. Although they'd have to be inexpensive.
- astura 2y agoNot coming to the US. :(
- rsynnott 2y agoThey don't even sell the id.3 in the US, so I'd be surprised if they launch this there. It'd be a very niche product.
- autoexec 2y agoThat name "ID. EVERY1" makes me wonder if it's affordable due to massive amounts of personal data being collected and sold about drivers and passengers. It'd be a bold move after the lawsuits and data breeches Volkswagen has faced. https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/customer-data-from-800-000-electric-cars-and-owners-exposed-online/ https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/customer-data... https://carbuzz.com/news/automakers-spying-on-consumers-declared-legal-by-court/ https://carbuzz.com/news/automakers-spying-on-consumers-decl... https://www.osborneclarke.com/insights/volkswagen-fined-eur-11-million-germany-test-cars-gdpr-breaches https://www.osborneclarke.com/insights/volkswagen-fined-eur-...
- Avicebron 2y agoname checks out, but yea, calling a vehicle "ID. EVERY1" seems just plain weird
- GCUMstlyHarmls 2y agoThey also have the ID.2all. Does "ID" translate to something more interesting in German? Both names are atrocious.
- flyinghamster 2y agoMaybe not German, but certainly French, as in Citroën's ID19, the lower-cost version of the classic DS19. In that case, "ID" is pronounced the same as idée.
- wvbdmp 2y agoThis is not a joke: it stands for Intelligent Design. When pronounced english ID pretty much has the same connotations in German as in English, but the phrase “Intelligent Design” isn’t connected to creationism in Germany (or rather, creationism wasn’t a culture war issue here in the first place). When the letters are pronounced in German, it sounds like “Idee” (idea), but I’m not sure if they’re leaning into this, nor whether the average person will have that association. AFAIK, EVERY1 (garyoldman.gif) is a working title and it’ll end up being called something different.
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- hansvm 2y agoHowever good this thing is otherwise, "ID Everyone" is a horrible slogan for a new car. I wouldn't mind some manufacturer agreeing to not buy/sell your sexual history, creating radios which aren't vulnerable to remote controlling the car via buffer overflows, and otherwise treating cars like physical goods you own and can rely opon instead of hooks into your personal life.
- melenaboija 2y agoI might be too old but I still don’t understand why carmakers have to do electric vehicles weirder than gas vehicles in every sense, weirder lines, weirder lights, weirder names, weirder interiors. Not saying is bad, just saying.
- umeshunni 2y agoYeah they could just call it the Golf EV and be done with it
- s0rce 2y agoThere is already an e-Golf, seems like a pretty reasonable car, no idea on the price/range, etc. A friend had one, was nice.
- rsynnott 2y agoIt's dead; the id.3 was the replacement. Priced similarly to the id.3, but it didn't sell well compared to other comparable EVs AIUI. My theory is that at least a decent subset of people who want to buy an EV want an EV which looks like an EV, ie weird. Hence the id.3, which is _vastly_ more successful than the eGolf.
- s0rce 2y agoOh, I didn't realize they killed it. I like the golf...
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- yaomtc 2y agoThe article doesn't say whether it will come to North America. Of the six numbered models, only the ID.4 made it over here. And we got the ID.Buzz minivan. The upcoming ID.1 and ID.2 seem to be launching only in the European market.
- mperham 2y agoI’d love to see widespread car sharing with vehicles like these in the US. Suburbs can’t reduce car dependency without tools like car share to bridge the gap until other options improve.
- afavour 2y agoI’d love to be proven wrong but I think the only way to reduce car dependency in the suburbs would be to knock them down and start over again. Which won’t happen. So EVs are an environmental positive at least.
- bluGill 2y agoSuburbs have the density to support great transit. However the low density means they cannot support anything less. If the bus isn't very frequent or it doesn't have a good route where you want to go - cars are cheap enough and no traffic to they are not painful. great transit is not cheap. It needs $200/month per family. This is less than the family is spending on one car (of 2-3), but still a lot of money (more than any transit agency in the world gets). You can't start smal either because until you have everything right driving is strictly better so nobody will try it. Even if you build it, expect several years for people to try it.
- dluan 2y agoI was in SF recently for a friend's wedding in Marin and rented a little Chevy EV just for a weekend because I wanted to test out the experience. It was STILL nerveracking and impossible to find a rapid charger, and I STILL ended up spending 45 minutes in a whole foods parking lot at 1am in Mill Valley. You'd think in 2025 it'd be easier by now. Compared to China, it's comical how the tech capital of the world can't get this right.
- wileydragonfly 2y agoLooks cool, I’m interested. Apparently I’m the combo breaker around here but I’ll live.
- tillcarlos 2y ago> it’s due to start production in two years The specs are great for 2025. Let’s wait for 2027 when BYD has a better performing model for much less. I am all vouching for VW’s electric efforts. I drove the ID Buzz which is great. I just wonder if they could sell competitively without tariffs in the EU.
- mattmaroon 2y agoNo, of course they can't. You can't beat extremely cheap labor, government subsidized lithium, and devalued currency without tariffs.
- fy20 2y agoThey already sell the eUp, which in my country costs €18k after government incentives. It has a range of 260km. This looks like it is just a replacement for that in the "ID" range.
- mixedCase 2y agoThat's way too expensive for an "affordable EV". The BYD Seagull retails here in Uruguay for less than that and we tax cars at about 100%. On China it seems to go for 10-12k. It's a proper, basic city car. 4 to 6 air bags, ~300km range (more than what this article's car indicates), all basic security features and standard gadgets out of a modern car. Our EV infrastructure is not viable if you don't have a charger at work/home and yet these have sold like hot cakes. Legacy carmakers are making increasingly worse ICE cars for the most part (btw does GM sell a C-segment hatchback on any market, anymore?) and their EVs are simply uncompetitive. What's it going to take for them to wake up to the fact they're going to have to stop fleecing their customers with crappy products? Bankruptcy?
- mattmaroon 2y agoIt's too expensive for an affordable EV in half the world I am sure. The wealthier half of the world will never let Chinese auto makers in. China wants to do the same thing they've done with other manufacturing, use government subsidies, borderline slave labor, and artifically low currency to eat the market and kill everyone else's manufacturing capacity until they have the market entirely. There's no way we let that happen to cars. China's average auto worker pay is $4.20 an hour. America's is 6x that. What you call fleecing customers we call paying workers a living wage. We'd rather pay $25k for a cheap EV and have a thriving auto industry than pay $10k and have none. We'd happily choose paying more for cars over Latin America-style wealth inequality, though lately it seems as if we're going to manage both at the same time.
- litbear2022 2y agoDoes a thriving auto industry mean that its industrial workers can't afford eggs?
- decimalenough 2y agoYour figures are way out of date. The average Chinese auto worker now earns 21900 CNY/month, or about $36000/year. Even the low end is ~$15k. https://www.salaryexplorer.com/average-salary-wage-comparison-china-automotive-c44f10 https://www.salaryexplorer.com/average-salary-wage-compariso... Also, Chinese manufacturers will do the same as Japanese and Korean manufacturers before them: work around tariffs by building assembly plants in the US and Europe.
- layer8 2y agoThis is a concept study for a model planned for 2027. Before that there will be the ID.2 scheduled for 2026: https://www.whatcar.com/news/new-volkswagen-id-2-electric-car-to-cost-less-than-pound21k/n25592 https://www.whatcar.com/news/new-volkswagen-id-2-electric-ca...
- Al-Khwarizmi 2y agoIf they released it right now, they could sell like hotcakes, at least in my country. Being for 2027, seeing how things are evolving, it will probably be just one more alternative, surviving in the market thanks to tariffs to Chinese cars. Nothing special.
- jopsen 2y ago> it’s due to start production in two years at an undecided location in Europe Two years in EV world is a long time.
- ricardobeat 2y agoGlad to see the UI on the screen looks different than the current system. Software is by far the major flaw in the ID line.
- dreamcompiler 2y agoThis software comes from Rivian, for which VW paid them a few $billion over a few years. This influx of cash from VW is the only reason Rivian is still in business.
- ricardobeat 2y agoIf Rivian survives, and VW gets a massive leap in software from it, sounds like a great deal for them _and_ the people.
- 9283409232 2y agoWith the negative PR that Tesla has, companies should be putting their best foot forward when it comes to EVs but Volkswagen somehow manages to find every rake and step on it.
- karaterobot 2y ago> The model will offer more than 155 miles of range and is the “last piece of the puzzle” for VW’s next-generation lineup, said Thomas Schaefer, CEO of the brand. It should have been the first piece of the puzzle. I've owned three VWs, I wanted to keep buying them, but VW has made so many bad choices in the last fifteen years it's hard to support them.
- econ 2y agoI liked this thing, not an ev but it could be. https://realitypod.com/story/volkswagen-launches-600-car-the-coolest-single-seater-ever/ https://realitypod.com/story/volkswagen-launches-600-car-the... For 600 all it takes is a silly mood to buy one. Then you sell it again 2 months later for 300 when you come to your senses and realize you have a wife, 3 Kids and a dog. No regrets and someone else can have their silly mood. Some will keep it because 258 miles/gallon is a sound way to save money. Back looked like this https://theweeklydriver.com/wp-content/uploads/vw26.jpg https://theweeklydriver.com/wp-content/uploads/vw26.jpg
- wackget 2y agoReally - a massive, fuck-off tablet serves as the interior controls? I thought car manufacturers had realised that touch-screen interfaces are simply terrible for drivers, and I thought customers were largely agreed in their hatred for them. I would like to know how many accidents are caused by modern cars' usage of screens in the interior.
- torginus 2y agoImo the big problem is that 'affordable mass-market EV' is just a contradiction - once you build a mass-market EV most people would willingly buy - one with >400km range with decent enough fast charging for road trips, you've very close in terms of hardware budget to something that's decidedly upmarket, like a Model 3 - just add a bigger chassis, some tech gadgets and a more powerful motor, all of which cost little compared to the battery and inverter. For an ICE car, this issue doesn't exist - you can put in a 900cc 80hp engine into a tiny car with basic trim and the end result would still be a car that can take you everywhere.
- elevatedastalt 2y agoGood that Volkswagen would finally have a car where they don't need to cheat to make emissions benchmarks.
- gaoryrt 2y agoActually this is a good one.
- Gys 2y agoA small electric car which can also double as a home battery. That would make a difference in my opinion.
- brikym 2y agoIt seems to be priced about the same as the BYD Dolphin with much less range. The surely low sales numbers will make it the 'Volkswagen ID. NO1'
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- amai 2y agoToo little, too late!