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I'd hope so, but you never know what you can get people to tolerate "for the children". This is, after all, the same UK population that voted these halfwits int

I'd hope so, but you never know what you can get people to tolerate "for the children". This is, after all, the same UK population that voted these halfwits into power.

nicoburns 2y ago
The children themselves would be in the streets protesting if you banned iPhones in the UK.
- andrewflnr 2y ago
  Naturally we have to protect them from themselves. /s
- andylynch 2y ago
  My kid just brought this up today- it’s absolutely a concern for their age group.
  - FirmwareBurner 2y ago
    If it's indeed like you say, that sounds like a monopoly that should be addressed, not protected and allowed to do as it pleases. Sure, it's orthogonal to the EE backdoor issue, but Apple or any other company, having a monopoly of a nations youths means of communication is still an issue.
    - thatguy0900 2y ago
      It's a monopoly to make a product that most children want over the competition? What would the solution even be here? Force iphones to be shittier?
      - FirmwareBurner 2y ago
        Yes when you corner an entire market, regardless how you got there, it's still called a monopoly. Read a book before trying to be a smartass.
        jmye 2y ago
        The market hasn’t been “cornered” any more than breakfast has been “cornered” by eggs and bacon, but I dig the irony, here. How do you plan to address this supposed monopoly? Force all children born in February and March to use Android only? Demand that people respond better to Samsung’s marketing? I’m a bit curious how you de-“monopolize” something consumers are choosing over numerous, plentiful competition.
        FirmwareBurner 2y ago
        After you learn to read, read these, then look in the mirror: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/21/technology/apple-doj-lawsuit-antitrust.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/21/technology/apple-doj-laws... https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-sues-apple-monopolizing-smartphone-markets https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-sues-apple...
        jmye 2y ago
        Given you’re clearly a much better reader, can you explain how Apple’s, apparently, anti-competitive app ecosystem (from your links) is remotely similar to your assertion that merely being a more popular device with consumers is monopolistic? I mean, you did read those links right? You didn’t just google “apple monopoly” and then paste the results?
        HenryBemis 2y ago
        I is smart!!! I escaped the 'corner of the market' I used to have a simple Nokia back in the day. Then I switched to Compaq, then to HTC (Windows Mobile). Then back to Nokia 7110. Then to iPhone 3GS, then 4, 5, 6, then I stopped using iPhones and switched to Android. But to be fair I'm 'in/into tech' since I was 9-10yo. I will jump from one tech to another when I think that this new tech will give me what I need at reasonable cost and at minimal privacy cost. I remember loving syncing my Nokias with Outlook, then my iPhone, now my Android. There are always solutions out there and it is always easy to jump ship (at least for me). But I never used OneDrive or iCloud or Google Drive to begin with. So, for those who take the lazy approach, yes they will eat whatever is served and be thankful to their 'masters'. For those who spend the time to think it through, there is no 'corner an entire market'.
    - HPsquared 2y ago
      Surely the government is the bigger monopoly.
      - stuaxo 2y ago
        Hello Elon
    - lozenge 2y ago
      Apple's not much of a monopoly in the UK. iMessage isn't anywhere near as popular here as the cross platform WhatsApp. Kids can choose between iPhone and Android, they aren't forced. We in the UK just want the same products that are available everywhere else, including encryption.
giuseppe_petri 2y ago
>these halfwits You're doing them a favour calling them halfwits, if most of the current crop of British politicians were light bulbs they wouldn't be bright enough the light the cupboard under my stairs.
- HenryBemis 2y ago
  That is the BEST trick politicians ever play on voters. They prefer to be called "stupid" while the end up their political careers millionaires, and getting hire in large-ehvil-corps doing FA for 6-7 digits per year. I believe one of the filthiest snakes out there is Boris Johnson; yes the lunatic with the silly hair, who can recite HOMER in ANCIENT GREEK. And people still think he is 'stupid'? And all he does is 'mistakes'???? He is the filthiest of all snakes - except from his true masters (who is not the people). So.. yeah. If they end up broke and in jail, they are stupid. If they end up working for 7 digits, and you cannot afford a home.. well..
  - mikrl 2y ago
    This conclusion reframed my views of certain politicians, popularly assumed to be blithering idiots. You don’t get there by being incompetent, you get there by being amazing at manipulation, cunning and whatever the positive coded synonyms of those words are. Butchering common phrases on live TV, or spouting verifiable falsehoods are all part of the game. I feel stupid myself for not playing it as well.
    - andrewflnr 2y ago
      > amazing at manipulation, cunning and [etc] I think someone can be very good at those and also very stupid when it comes to, say, encryption and societal side effects thereof. In fact I think it's quite common. Intelligence is multi-dimensional.
      - HenryBemis 2y ago
        An intelligent person can understand what is encryption if they really want to. A member of a parliament that is trying to revoke all encryption, everywhere, does it because his/her masters demand so, not because they care. Also, a good politician hates 'encryption' because they can't read your messages, read your mind, so you are dangerous because you can have independent thought which they cannot identify in order to manipulate. Facebook/Cambridge Analytica is an amazing example for this.
yakshaving_jgt 2y ago
We also voted Starmer into power, who is one of the few leaders of the free world with a spine. It's not that black and white.
- PrivacyDingus 2y ago
  Can I ask what it is that makes you believe he has a spine? His fawning over Trump didn't dispell this? Or his constant changes in direction?
  - yakshaving_jgt 2y ago
    Well he hasn’t taken Trump’s direction on the war, has he?
    - rob_c 2y ago
      Lol. If trump said jump it wouldn't be how high it'd be straight in front of a bullet for this lot. It's pretending to claim we have a position other than pandering to both the EU and Trump whilst not actually taking responsibility to do anything (other than act as a banker)
  - dambi0 2y ago
    You could just as well argue that changing direction or admitting you got things wrong requires more spine than blindly sticking to the same direction even in light of new information. Whether that applies to Starmer is a matter of opinion I suppose
- andrewflnr 2y ago
  I mean, sure, the US also elected some people who oppose the wannabe fascist dictator in chief, but we did elect the wannabe fascist dictator. There are a lot of forces, but the vector sum is distinctly fuckwitted.
- coldtea 2y ago
  Starmer has a spine? He's a warmongering careerist shill, hateful of his own people, who never did anything remotely worthy of the Labour party pre-Blair legacy... One of the least spine-owing politicians in the world

I'd hope so, but you never know what you can get people to tolerate "for the children". This is, after all, the same UK population that voted these halfwits into power.

nicoburns 2y ago

The children themselves would be in the streets protesting if you banned iPhones in the UK.

andrewflnr 2y ago
Naturally we have to protect them from themselves. /s
andylynch 2y ago
My kid just brought this up today- it’s absolutely a concern for their age group.
- FirmwareBurner 2y ago
  If it's indeed like you say, that sounds like a monopoly that should be addressed, not protected and allowed to do as it pleases. Sure, it's orthogonal to the EE backdoor issue, but Apple or any other company, having a monopoly of a nations youths means of communication is still an issue.
  - thatguy0900 2y ago
    It's a monopoly to make a product that most children want over the competition? What would the solution even be here? Force iphones to be shittier?
    - FirmwareBurner 2y ago
      Yes when you corner an entire market, regardless how you got there, it's still called a monopoly. Read a book before trying to be a smartass.
      - jmye 2y ago
        The market hasn’t been “cornered” any more than breakfast has been “cornered” by eggs and bacon, but I dig the irony, here. How do you plan to address this supposed monopoly? Force all children born in February and March to use Android only? Demand that people respond better to Samsung’s marketing? I’m a bit curious how you de-“monopolize” something consumers are choosing over numerous, plentiful competition.
        FirmwareBurner 2y ago
        After you learn to read, read these, then look in the mirror: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/21/technology/apple-doj-lawsuit-antitrust.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/21/technology/apple-doj-laws... https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-sues-apple-monopolizing-smartphone-markets https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-sues-apple...
        jmye 2y ago
        Given you’re clearly a much better reader, can you explain how Apple’s, apparently, anti-competitive app ecosystem (from your links) is remotely similar to your assertion that merely being a more popular device with consumers is monopolistic? I mean, you did read those links right? You didn’t just google “apple monopoly” and then paste the results?
      - HenryBemis 2y ago
        I is smart!!! I escaped the 'corner of the market' I used to have a simple Nokia back in the day. Then I switched to Compaq, then to HTC (Windows Mobile). Then back to Nokia 7110. Then to iPhone 3GS, then 4, 5, 6, then I stopped using iPhones and switched to Android. But to be fair I'm 'in/into tech' since I was 9-10yo. I will jump from one tech to another when I think that this new tech will give me what I need at reasonable cost and at minimal privacy cost. I remember loving syncing my Nokias with Outlook, then my iPhone, now my Android. There are always solutions out there and it is always easy to jump ship (at least for me). But I never used OneDrive or iCloud or Google Drive to begin with. So, for those who take the lazy approach, yes they will eat whatever is served and be thankful to their 'masters'. For those who spend the time to think it through, there is no 'corner an entire market'.
  - HPsquared 2y ago
    Surely the government is the bigger monopoly.
    - stuaxo 2y ago
      Hello Elon
  - lozenge 2y ago
    Apple's not much of a monopoly in the UK. iMessage isn't anywhere near as popular here as the cross platform WhatsApp. Kids can choose between iPhone and Android, they aren't forced. We in the UK just want the same products that are available everywhere else, including encryption.

giuseppe_petri 2y ago

>these halfwits You're doing them a favour calling them halfwits, if most of the current crop of British politicians were light bulbs they wouldn't be bright enough the light the cupboard under my stairs.

HenryBemis 2y ago
That is the BEST trick politicians ever play on voters. They prefer to be called "stupid" while the end up their political careers millionaires, and getting hire in large-ehvil-corps doing FA for 6-7 digits per year. I believe one of the filthiest snakes out there is Boris Johnson; yes the lunatic with the silly hair, who can recite HOMER in ANCIENT GREEK. And people still think he is 'stupid'? And all he does is 'mistakes'???? He is the filthiest of all snakes - except from his true masters (who is not the people). So.. yeah. If they end up broke and in jail, they are stupid. If they end up working for 7 digits, and you cannot afford a home.. well..
- mikrl 2y ago
  This conclusion reframed my views of certain politicians, popularly assumed to be blithering idiots. You don’t get there by being incompetent, you get there by being amazing at manipulation, cunning and whatever the positive coded synonyms of those words are. Butchering common phrases on live TV, or spouting verifiable falsehoods are all part of the game. I feel stupid myself for not playing it as well.
  - andrewflnr 2y ago
    > amazing at manipulation, cunning and [etc] I think someone can be very good at those and also very stupid when it comes to, say, encryption and societal side effects thereof. In fact I think it's quite common. Intelligence is multi-dimensional.
    - HenryBemis 2y ago
      An intelligent person can understand what is encryption if they really want to. A member of a parliament that is trying to revoke all encryption, everywhere, does it because his/her masters demand so, not because they care. Also, a good politician hates 'encryption' because they can't read your messages, read your mind, so you are dangerous because you can have independent thought which they cannot identify in order to manipulate. Facebook/Cambridge Analytica is an amazing example for this.

yakshaving_jgt 2y ago

We also voted Starmer into power, who is one of the few leaders of the free world with a spine. It's not that black and white.

PrivacyDingus 2y ago
Can I ask what it is that makes you believe he has a spine? His fawning over Trump didn't dispell this? Or his constant changes in direction?
- yakshaving_jgt 2y ago
  Well he hasn’t taken Trump’s direction on the war, has he?
  - rob_c 2y ago
    Lol. If trump said jump it wouldn't be how high it'd be straight in front of a bullet for this lot. It's pretending to claim we have a position other than pandering to both the EU and Trump whilst not actually taking responsibility to do anything (other than act as a banker)
- dambi0 2y ago
  You could just as well argue that changing direction or admitting you got things wrong requires more spine than blindly sticking to the same direction even in light of new information. Whether that applies to Starmer is a matter of opinion I suppose
andrewflnr 2y ago
I mean, sure, the US also elected some people who oppose the wannabe fascist dictator in chief, but we did elect the wannabe fascist dictator. There are a lot of forces, but the vector sum is distinctly fuckwitted.
coldtea 2y ago
Starmer has a spine? He's a warmongering careerist shill, hateful of his own people, who never did anything remotely worthy of the Labour party pre-Blair legacy... One of the least spine-owing politicians in the world