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Macron has been advocating for tighter European collaboration for years, insisting that there should be an integrated European army in 2018 and calling NATO "br
by SpicyLemonZest 2y ago
Macron has been advocating for tighter European collaboration for years, insisting that there should be an integrated European army in 2018 and calling NATO "brain-dead" in 2019. The question is whether other European countries want to be integrated, and thus far the answer has been that they do not.
- p2detar 2y agoThis is what people outside of Europe do not understand. We are not one country. We are 27 sovereign countries with their own parliament and their own final decisions that must coin a common European policy. This is an immense effort.
- palata 2y agoIt makes it slow, but it also means that the EU cannot turn authoritarian with one election, like the US did.
- surgical_fire 2y agoI think this is rapidly changing, now that the US is essentially a hostile foreign nation.
- SpicyLemonZest 2y agoEven if you grant that perception of the US (which UK at least has explicitly stated it doesn't agree with), it doesn't resolve the practical obstacles where different member states don't necessarily agree on military action. One good example came up just today; France and the UK want to deploy peacekeeping troops to Ukraine to enforce a ceasefire, but Italy does not. In a unified European military, does Italy get a veto, or does the command structure somehow require Italian divisions to deploy somewhere the Italian government doesn't want them to go?
- surgical_fire 2y agoWell, the UK does not belong to the EU. So it really doesn't matter in this conversation all that much. As for the EU, I imagine it will eventually create more integration tiers above the ones that currently exist. If I am not terribly mistaken Macron advocates for such a thing. Not a bad idea to be frank.
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- LAC-Tech 2y agoAbsolutely fair points. He's at least trying. But it's the tragic comedy of the point at which he has to start from, and the date on the calendar...