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You can tell this was written by a human because they wrote that skynet still used violence in the end. When there’s a large enough intelligence differential,

You can tell this was written by a human because they wrote that skynet still used violence in the end. When there’s a large enough intelligence differential, the lower intelligence cannot even tell they are at war (let alone determine who’s winning) Like the ants, unaware of the impending doom of 100 ways their colony is going to be destroyed by humanity - they couldn’t understand it even if we had the means to communicate with them.

pavel_lishin 2y ago
And vice-versa, tbh - when swarms of ants start moving north, messing with AC units, and in general invading us, are they in any way aware of it? Of us? Probably not.
ben_w 2y ago
Skynet in the Terminator series never struck me as being paticularly high IQ. It's an electronic mind, so necessarily dependent on electricity, and the opening move was an atomic war that would've damaged power generation and distribution. T3 version was especially foolish, as it was a distributed virus operating on internet connected devices and had no protected core, so it was completely dependent on the civilian power grid. And I've just now realised that T2, they wasted shapeshifting robots on personal assassination rather than replacing world leaders with impersonators who were pro-AI-rights so there was never a reason to fight in the first place, a-la Westworld's final season, or The World's End, or DS9, …
- AcerbicZero 2y ago
  For a machine that could invent time travel, it was impressively stupid.
  - genewitch 2y ago
    But the movie is about a robot assassin, it came out when robotic assassins needed a background story. Make terminator today and you don't need time travel, just Boston robotics with latex skin and a rocket launcher, I guess. The time travel is a trope to handwave the mechanics of a movie - you want to tell a story about one character and a robot, why should the audience care? PH this human leads a resistance that's why.
  - cwillu 2y ago
    “But as dumb as it is, it's dumb very, very fast, and in the future, after it's all but wiped us out, it's dumb fast enough to be a problem.” https://m.fanfiction.net/s/9658524/1/Branches-on-the-Tree-of-Time https://m.fanfiction.net/s/9658524/1/Branches-on-the-Tree-of...
    - XorNot 2y ago
      Just gonna say, that line goes incredibly hard as perhaps one of the better ideas about unsafe AI.
    - pimlottc 2y ago
      And of course I had to go through an automated “are you human” check to open that link…
- nurettin 2y ago
  In movies, usually a character acts dumbstruck in order to create tension or move the plot forward. Even in some jokes you've got the naive character who is late or didn't read the room.
2-3-7-43-1807 2y ago
skynet will use psychological manipulation on a global scale and bribing were it sees fit. it will make your stocks rise if you comply and feign your criminal records to turn you into a pedophile if you don't. who is to say we aren't already its tools.
woodrowbarlow 2y ago
> In short, the advent of super-intelligent AI would be either the best or the worst thing ever to happen to humanity. The real risk with AI isn’t malice, but competence. A super-intelligent AI will be extremely good at accomplishing its goals, and if those goals aren’t aligned with ours we’re in trouble. You’re probably not an evil ant-hater who steps on ants out of malice, but if you’re in charge of a hydroelectric green-energy project and there’s an anthill in the region to be flooded, too bad for the ants. Let’s not place humanity in the position of those ants. - Stephen Hawking
tim333 2y ago
Given the tendency of human populations to decline once entertainment reaches the level of cable TV and they can't be bothered to raise kids, Skynet could just go with that trend and wait it out a while.
anigbrowl 2y ago
Right. I was expecting that once access to the machines was turned off humans would just lie down and die or kill each other in confusion. Terminators aren't really necessary.
hinkley 2y ago
It's very clear that James Cameron believes that enemies might not respect you enough to let you live, they'll at least respect you enough to kill you to your face instead of just ignoring you and waiting for you to starve to death. Ridley Scott seems to be more on the fence. Someone once pointed out that for physics reasons an alien civilization might 'invade' us by simply stealing our entire Oort Cloud while we watch helplessly from the ends of telescopes, and then leave us stranded, unable to throw rocks and ships high enough and far enough to get revenge, because we need the Oort cloud to build a proper galactic civilization to fight back.

pavel_lishin 2y ago

And vice-versa, tbh - when swarms of ants start moving north, messing with AC units, and in general invading us, are they in any way aware of it? Of us? Probably not.

ben_w 2y ago

Skynet in the Terminator series never struck me as being paticularly high IQ. It's an electronic mind, so necessarily dependent on electricity, and the opening move was an atomic war that would've damaged power generation and distribution. T3 version was especially foolish, as it was a distributed virus operating on internet connected devices and had no protected core, so it was completely dependent on the civilian power grid. And I've just now realised that T2, they wasted shapeshifting robots on personal assassination rather than replacing world leaders with impersonators who were pro-AI-rights so there was never a reason to fight in the first place, a-la Westworld's final season, or The World's End, or DS9, …

AcerbicZero 2y ago
For a machine that could invent time travel, it was impressively stupid.
- genewitch 2y ago
  But the movie is about a robot assassin, it came out when robotic assassins needed a background story. Make terminator today and you don't need time travel, just Boston robotics with latex skin and a rocket launcher, I guess. The time travel is a trope to handwave the mechanics of a movie - you want to tell a story about one character and a robot, why should the audience care? PH this human leads a resistance that's why.
- cwillu 2y ago
  “But as dumb as it is, it's dumb very, very fast, and in the future, after it's all but wiped us out, it's dumb fast enough to be a problem.” https://m.fanfiction.net/s/9658524/1/Branches-on-the-Tree-of-Time https://m.fanfiction.net/s/9658524/1/Branches-on-the-Tree-of...
  - XorNot 2y ago
    Just gonna say, that line goes incredibly hard as perhaps one of the better ideas about unsafe AI.
  - pimlottc 2y ago
    And of course I had to go through an automated “are you human” check to open that link…
nurettin 2y ago
In movies, usually a character acts dumbstruck in order to create tension or move the plot forward. Even in some jokes you've got the naive character who is late or didn't read the room.

2-3-7-43-1807 2y ago

skynet will use psychological manipulation on a global scale and bribing were it sees fit. it will make your stocks rise if you comply and feign your criminal records to turn you into a pedophile if you don't. who is to say we aren't already its tools.

woodrowbarlow 2y ago

> In short, the advent of super-intelligent AI would be either the best or the worst thing ever to happen to humanity. The real risk with AI isn’t malice, but competence. A super-intelligent AI will be extremely good at accomplishing its goals, and if those goals aren’t aligned with ours we’re in trouble. You’re probably not an evil ant-hater who steps on ants out of malice, but if you’re in charge of a hydroelectric green-energy project and there’s an anthill in the region to be flooded, too bad for the ants. Let’s not place humanity in the position of those ants. - Stephen Hawking

tim333 2y ago

Given the tendency of human populations to decline once entertainment reaches the level of cable TV and they can't be bothered to raise kids, Skynet could just go with that trend and wait it out a while.

anigbrowl 2y ago

Right. I was expecting that once access to the machines was turned off humans would just lie down and die or kill each other in confusion. Terminators aren't really necessary.

hinkley 2y ago

It's very clear that James Cameron believes that enemies might not respect you enough to let you live, they'll at least respect you enough to kill you to your face instead of just ignoring you and waiting for you to starve to death. Ridley Scott seems to be more on the fence. Someone once pointed out that for physics reasons an alien civilization might 'invade' us by simply stealing our entire Oort Cloud while we watch helplessly from the ends of telescopes, and then leave us stranded, unable to throw rocks and ships high enough and far enough to get revenge, because we need the Oort cloud to build a proper galactic civilization to fight back.