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If this doesnt force putin to a negotiation table I dont know what will.

by rasz 2y ago

goatlover 2y ago
If it's solely on Russia's terms, why should Ukraine accept a deal? Zelensky knows Putin can't be trusted, the Trump admin pretends it doesn't know that.
- yimby2001 2y ago
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  - nitwit005 2y ago
    Unfortunately, you're likely being generous to Putin if you think the killing will stop just because Ukraine surrenders.
    - twy128391287 2y ago
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      - nitwit005 2y ago
        Look up a few definitions of "surrender". Ceasing resistance, and giving into your enemies demands, is surrendering.
      - poincaredisk 2y ago
        The same Finland that joined NATO in 2023? It looks like they're not as optimistic about their border stability as you are. But what do they know, they just live next to Russia instead of on the other side of Atlantic.
        mistrial9 2y ago
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  - cwillu 2y ago
    Right, because that worked any other time russia has signed a treaty…
  - throwway120385 2y ago
    Yeah we all know that Putin stopped back in 2014 as well in Crimea. He certainly didn't wait 11 years to try again or anything like that.
  - poincaredisk 2y ago
    Why would the war stop for good? Russia gets everything it wanted, with no repercussions. Expect another attack in 5 years. The view you're presenting is very myopic.
    - yimby2001 2y ago
      No repercussions? I can see that the lives lost are not in your calculations.
- rasz 2y ago
  I finally heard a politician openly tell it how it is today! Current French Senator Claude Malhuret https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-lh0TUTtvI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-lh0TUTtvI : >Washington became the court of Nero, an incendiary emperor, submissive courtiers and a jester under ketamine in charge of the purification of the public service. >in one month, Trump has done more harm to America than in four years of his last presidency. We were at war against a dictator, we are now fighting against a dictator supported by a traitor. https://www.rawstory.com/french-senator-musk-trump/ https://www.rawstory.com/french-senator-musk-trump/ covers it, https://www.resetera.com/threads/washington-became-the-court-of-nero-must-read-from-french-senate-allocution.1125978/ https://www.resetera.com/threads/washington-became-the-court... <- this has whole speech translated. Macron, Starmer, even my own president are all still in denial :| Germany's Merz seems to know whats going on, but is still trying to be veeeery diplomatic about it.
  - Greyfoscam 2y ago
    That seems more like more of the same grandstanding that created this problem, Russia Bad I don't disagree. Being surprised when you let America foot the bill for security and looking the other way when they create proxy conflicts to serve their goals only to complain when the US drops the mask and says you let me do what I want as long as you didn't have to foot the bill and responsibility and now it's FU time seemed the only likely outcome. This also works in the US favor Europe has to shift focus and divert resources to Russia.That creates financial opportunities the us can exploit. Trade wars make money, Real wars drain resources. Financial and population. After the war how many Anti Russian citizens will be alive to vote. Switching gears China has strong interest in the fresh water and resources near their border that Russia could trade or even lose if Russia can be made weak enough. Russia has a wealth of facts to twist into propaganda. Honestly restricting this narrative to something as simple as Russia Bad just guarantees the US laughs all the way to the bank.
  - an_guy 2y ago
    I love how all these European politicians wants US to send more money and weapons to Ukraine while thier own individual contributions are significantly lower. If they want to fight so bad, why not spend more % of their own gdp, especially French and Germany who are close to the situation. > Germany's Merz seems to know whats going on, but is still trying to be veeeery diplomatic about it. They literally have no other option. If they could continue war on thier own, they won't be "trying to be veeeery diplomatic about it"
parasti 2y ago
This is a funny comment. If this doesn't force Putin to the negotiation table, then you know what will - the US stopping all military aid to Ukraine. One of these things that US has done to Ukraine is bound to convince Putin, right?
- rasz 2y ago
  Next step is humanitarian aid to russia, they got hurt by this senseless war badly and need all the help they can get. After that military aid, and then direct US military intervention killing rowdy Ukrainians who just dont know when to stop defending themselves. WTF is this timeline :(

If this doesnt force putin to a negotiation table I dont know what will.

by rasz 2y ago

If this doesnt force putin to a negotiation table I dont know what will.

If it's solely on Russia's terms, why should Ukraine accept a deal? Zelensky knows Putin can't be trusted, the Trump admin pretends it doesn't know that.

yimby2001 2y ago
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- nitwit005 2y ago
  Unfortunately, you're likely being generous to Putin if you think the killing will stop just because Ukraine surrenders.
  - twy128391287 2y ago
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    - nitwit005 2y ago
      Look up a few definitions of "surrender". Ceasing resistance, and giving into your enemies demands, is surrendering.
    - poincaredisk 2y ago
      The same Finland that joined NATO in 2023? It looks like they're not as optimistic about their border stability as you are. But what do they know, they just live next to Russia instead of on the other side of Atlantic.
      - mistrial9 2y ago
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- cwillu 2y ago
  Right, because that worked any other time russia has signed a treaty…
- throwway120385 2y ago
  Yeah we all know that Putin stopped back in 2014 as well in Crimea. He certainly didn't wait 11 years to try again or anything like that.
- poincaredisk 2y ago
  Why would the war stop for good? Russia gets everything it wanted, with no repercussions. Expect another attack in 5 years. The view you're presenting is very myopic.
  - yimby2001 2y ago
    No repercussions? I can see that the lives lost are not in your calculations.
rasz 2y ago
I finally heard a politician openly tell it how it is today! Current French Senator Claude Malhuret https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-lh0TUTtvI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-lh0TUTtvI : >Washington became the court of Nero, an incendiary emperor, submissive courtiers and a jester under ketamine in charge of the purification of the public service. >in one month, Trump has done more harm to America than in four years of his last presidency. We were at war against a dictator, we are now fighting against a dictator supported by a traitor. https://www.rawstory.com/french-senator-musk-trump/ https://www.rawstory.com/french-senator-musk-trump/ covers it, https://www.resetera.com/threads/washington-became-the-court-of-nero-must-read-from-french-senate-allocution.1125978/ https://www.resetera.com/threads/washington-became-the-court... <- this has whole speech translated. Macron, Starmer, even my own president are all still in denial :| Germany's Merz seems to know whats going on, but is still trying to be veeeery diplomatic about it.
- Greyfoscam 2y ago
  That seems more like more of the same grandstanding that created this problem, Russia Bad I don't disagree. Being surprised when you let America foot the bill for security and looking the other way when they create proxy conflicts to serve their goals only to complain when the US drops the mask and says you let me do what I want as long as you didn't have to foot the bill and responsibility and now it's FU time seemed the only likely outcome. This also works in the US favor Europe has to shift focus and divert resources to Russia.That creates financial opportunities the us can exploit. Trade wars make money, Real wars drain resources. Financial and population. After the war how many Anti Russian citizens will be alive to vote. Switching gears China has strong interest in the fresh water and resources near their border that Russia could trade or even lose if Russia can be made weak enough. Russia has a wealth of facts to twist into propaganda. Honestly restricting this narrative to something as simple as Russia Bad just guarantees the US laughs all the way to the bank.
- an_guy 2y ago
  I love how all these European politicians wants US to send more money and weapons to Ukraine while thier own individual contributions are significantly lower. If they want to fight so bad, why not spend more % of their own gdp, especially French and Germany who are close to the situation. > Germany's Merz seems to know whats going on, but is still trying to be veeeery diplomatic about it. They literally have no other option. If they could continue war on thier own, they won't be "trying to be veeeery diplomatic about it"

parasti 2y ago

This is a funny comment. If this doesn't force Putin to the negotiation table, then you know what will - the US stopping all military aid to Ukraine. One of these things that US has done to Ukraine is bound to convince Putin, right?

rasz 2y ago
Next step is humanitarian aid to russia, they got hurt by this senseless war badly and need all the help they can get. After that military aid, and then direct US military intervention killing rowdy Ukrainians who just dont know when to stop defending themselves. WTF is this timeline :(