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US stops sharing intelligence on Russia with Ukraine
- zfg 2y agoUgly.
- snailmailstare 2y agoIf the Ukraine reacts by being less precise in its attacks they might make more progress demoralizing Russia since Russia has less capability of hiding civilian casualties than military ones. But they should really focus on wooing China. China has never been as friendly with Russia as it appears and Europe might start ranking them over the US and Russia as the least distasteful if they play their hand well right now..
- JimTheMan 2y agoHistorically bombing civilians has always galvanised the public against the enemy more than it 'demoralises' them. For instance the bombing of England during WW2 didn't break their will to fight. The fire bombing of 95% of Japan's cities didn't diminish their will to fight either. And let's not forget the vietnam war... didn't seem to be effective for the US... Bombing civilians rarely achieves any war goals and may actually have the opposite affect.
- snailmailstare 2y ago[flagged]
- snailmailstare 2y agoApparently the delusion of exceptionalism affecting physics didn't die with the entirely equatable Afghanistan experiences or am I supposed to take something else from silent down votes?
- antman 2y agoChina has never been as friendly with Russia as the US is now, but it was as friendly as it gets.
- goatlover 2y agoThe US implementing Russian's foreign policy is something I didn't think possible. Trump clearly idolizes Putin (if not worse), and his supporters don't care.
- dr-detroit 2y ago[dead]
- ashoeafoot 2y agoFor now. When trump starts his own Ukraine to get rid off internal opposition , the care will return like a howling drone swarm.
- yks 2y agoOne can hope. So far it seems that when it's about Ukraine, Putin/Trump supporters are all about "peace whatever the cost (to Ukraine and the US' soft power)", but when it's about Canada/Greenland/Panama, then it's all peachy.
- tim333 2y agoJust today he's threatening "American students will be permanently expelled or, depending on on the crime, arrested" for "illegal protests" by which doesn't sound very American.
- ashoeafoot 2y agoThe very students who for a generation easily abandoned their fellow men to suffer through poverty, industrial buildback, opiod crisis to instead bestow solidarity upon insane death cults? The students who celebrated past guilt,to ease their present guilt for class traitorship, those students ? A million treaties on slavery and a can of paint for slavery in the present, if its not us? the brahmans of the castes of suffering who used any way to reduce uncomfortable topics down to screaming racism and bigotry, while getting funded by the same foreign racists and bigots that funded MAGA? The "social might makes right" group, that screamed down all "non-issues" with discussion air superiority instead of real arguments ? The education that gave us a whole generation of elites unable to deal with reality, red line after red line, one huge selfcelebrated retrat into defeat, the education of these students? The scientific papermill bastions that produced and imported a never ending replication crisis in most fields are under siege? Shocking! Of course no reason to panic, analyse or introspect, pure conservation inertia will keep it all going forever and a day! Those students need help? Im sure the public will rally to their cause immediately. Everything for our whinest and dinest, those inept,inbred dynasties have to offer. The counter-elite they have grown is taking the cake and they still can not rally. But the students sure will, bound by debt and sentenced to generational poverty . Or they will at least hijack any valid protest to park their divisive dysfunctional poison one last time .
- ChrisArchitect 2y ago[dupe] Earlier: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43266387 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43266387
- exe34 2y agoIf the US were working for Russia, what would they do differently other than supply weapons to Russia and/or join on their side? Each day it takes more and more faith to believe the opposite.
- twy128391287 2y agoThey would recognize Crimea and all four partially occupied oblasts as Russian. They would support the annexation of additional oblasts that Russia claims belong to "Novorossia". Freezing the conflict is NOT what Russia wants right now. If one is extremely cynical, one could claim that the recent actions are a signal to Moscow to hurry up and finish the business in Donetsk/Zaphorizia so that a stable peace deal can be achieved instead of leaving things open yet again. I'm not that cynical yet and think that Trump indeed attempts to extort a lend-and-lease deal of the same sort that the U.S. imposed on Britain in WW2.
- tim333 2y agoI think the WW2 lend lease was quite generous to Britain.
- throw16180339 2y agoWe charged the UK quite heavily for our support. Quoting from (https://yarchive.net/space/politics/lend_lease.html https://yarchive.net/space/politics/lend_lease.html). In a political sense, well, that's much more debatable. The problem there is that because the US itself did not feel threatened, US aid came with a price tag: the impoverishment of Britain and the demolition of the trade barriers around the British Commonwealth. US aid was on a cash-only basis until Britain had spent all its hard-currency reserves (both gold and negotiable securities). Then came the Lend-Lease agreement -- arguably the point where the US truly entered the war -- and its price tag was explicit, although unadvertised: the agreement itself contains a clause stipulating the removal of the Commonwealth's trade barriers.
- dismalaf 2y agoRussia definitely wants to freeze the conflict... They're producing more weapons than Europe yet unable to make major breakthroughs, pausing, rebuilding (without sanctions) and then trying over will definitely yield more territory than what they're currently doing.
- knowitnone 2y agoImpeach
- tim333 2y agoThough for what exactly?
- goatlover 2y agoAiding and abetting foreign interests. Russia hasn't exactly been an ally of the US. We were opposing their conquest of Ukraine.
- cantrecallmypwd 2y agoOkay, but how given the makeup of the House (and D's just lost Sylvester Turner of TX-18)? And then convict in the Senate. The republic is a de facto empire in the open with a unitary executive (duumvirate with Musk and sidekick Vance), a weak and partisan SCOTUS, and a weak majority and ineffective bicameral COTUS. So far, every impeachment in modern history has been entirely political theater accomplishing nothing, rendering impeachment as a virtue signal rather than a "break glass" nuclear option to remove a threat to the republic. And then online, it has become the rallying cry of keyboard warriors to conduct cyber tokenism in place of real, courageous disobedience like Al Green. Might I humbly suggest anyone who disagrees with the prevailing course organize and exercise 1a and vote with their wallets because protesting and speech may soon be criminalized.
- rasz 2y agoIf this doesnt force putin to a negotiation table I dont know what will.
- goatlover 2y agoIf it's solely on Russia's terms, why should Ukraine accept a deal? Zelensky knows Putin can't be trusted, the Trump admin pretends it doesn't know that.
- yimby2001 2y ago[flagged]
- nitwit005 2y agoUnfortunately, you're likely being generous to Putin if you think the killing will stop just because Ukraine surrenders.
- twy128391287 2y ago[flagged]
- nitwit005 2y agoLook up a few definitions of "surrender". Ceasing resistance, and giving into your enemies demands, is surrendering.
- poincaredisk 2y agoThe same Finland that joined NATO in 2023? It looks like they're not as optimistic about their border stability as you are. But what do they know, they just live next to Russia instead of on the other side of Atlantic.
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- poincaredisk 2y agoLetting Russia get what it wants and inch ever closer to the center of Europe brings us closer to WWIII, not further away. It's enabling the aggressor and Russia will not stop - why would it? I hate to invoke Godwin's law, but if Hitler was stopped at Czechoslovakia, and then Poland, maybe we wouldn't have WWII. But the world didn't care back then, and apparently it still doesn't.
- thqzT 2y agoThere have been thousands of border conflicts in Europe's history where a larger nation annexed small territories inhabited by its own ethic minority (or even majority). Most of them have not ended in a world war. We do not need to retake Karelia for Finland to prevent a world war. We no not need to take Gibraltar for Spain to prevent a world war. What about Northern Ireland? How about retaking Northern Cyprus for Greece? I'm not approving of the annexations, but at some point the war needs to stop.
- poincaredisk 2y agoThe war will not stop as long as Ukraine exists. This attack was unprompted by Ukraine, and was just explicitly an annexation plan. They failed to execute it fully, but you're still willing to give in to all their demands. Let me remind you that Kremlin's position on Ukraine is "there is no Ukraine" - as in they don't really have a right for independence. In other words, I believe you're just repeating Russian propaganda.
- fjfaase 2y agoSome are suggesting this is because recent gains that Ukraine is making as the army of Russia is getting exhausted also because of some recent succesful destruction of large stockpiles of ammunition by drone attacks.
- tim333 2y agoSeems more likely due the new president.
- r40Uajd 2y ago[flagged]
- netsharc 2y agoYour 2nd line is a unsupported claim, plus you paint the refugees as social security leeches. Can I counter-claim, that you're a worm-brained Russian troll (like RFK's worm, which can be the right-wingers' version of the "woke mind virus"), with a 10 minute old account? Yeah, "discussion" seems a lot harder than downvoting idiotic claims. What is this "peace" you (or your -- I suspect -- other account ossobuco, his is the only comment about "peace" that's flagged to death) talk about if it's not "surrender"? But hey, good news, there's lots of Trump lovers in here too, a comment about Trump loving Putin is also grey because of all the downvotes.
- ossobuco 2y ago> or your -- I suspect -- other account ossobuco Calling anyone who wants peace a bot or troll or foreign agent won't change things. It will only show that you are very displased at the idea that we won't get WWIII. Not a great look, trust me.
- ossobuco 2y ago[flagged]
- antman 2y agoMerely it became known, with extreme suddenness and everywhere at once, that Eastasia and not Eurasia was the enemy. - 1984
- cantrecallmypwd 2y agoMaybe an US Army guy or defense analyst knows how HIMARS and/or MLRS work: Can these systems function completely independently of integrated, US-run targeting/intelligence "cloud" IBCS with domestic battlefield intel and strike orders for lat+lon+time+weapon?