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Canada proposes 100% tariffs on Tesla
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- Ancalagon 2y agoActually I love this. Saves the American people from most of the bad decisions but targets the oligarchs.
- dave4420 2y agoWhy save the American people from their bad decision?
- SirMaster 2y agoBecause you care about people? What, should we just give up on people addicted to drugs for example? Or should we help save them from their bad decision to use dangerous drugs?
- dave4420 2y agoWe take drug addicts to rehab. We don’t just give them money so they don’t need to steal to get high. But we can’t take them to rehab until they admit to themselves that they have a problem.
- toomuchtodo 2y agoSome are worth saving. Not all, but some.
- Terr_ 2y agoI believe parent-poster intended something more like: "The subset of Americans who opposed the nonsense." The purpose of the deterrent pain response is ultimately to change American policy, and that means influencing people whose positions can changed by it into a positive direction.
- _23sd 2y agoCompletely agree that dropping the tariffs on Chinese EVs instead would be the sensible move. Turning EVs into a culture war effigy was a horrible development for the future of the planet when the right did it, and it's no different now that the left is getting in on it. We have a technology that would be a key part of switching to clean energy, and should be doing everything possible to embrace it, but the political class has turned it into a football for their culture war game instead. Depressing stuff.
- thijson 2y agoThat would be totally amazing for Canadians, they are facing rising prices in so many things. The Chinese cars are half the price. I saw that BYD expects to sell 100k vehicles into Mexico this year, that's double the 50k they sold last year. https://motorillustrated.com/byd-targets-100000-ev-sales-in-mexico-by-2025-with-new-factory-announcement-imminent/141562/ https://motorillustrated.com/byd-targets-100000-ev-sales-in-...
- theluketaylor 2y agoThe long range PHEVs china has been building would also be ideal for Canada. Plenty of daily range even in winter and no range or infrastructure anxiety when you need more distance.
- thijson 2y agoI've recently become aware of a distinction between PHEV and EREV. The PHEV doesn't have enough power alone in the electric motors to go pure EV all the time. There a mechanical transfer case where both ICE and electric motor combine their torque. The EREV is a serial combination, more like the Diesel electric trains in current use. Some examples of EREV's are the Volt, BMW i3, and the Ram charger coming out this year.
- theluketaylor 2y agoIncorrect. PHEV have plenty of motor power to go electric only for extended periods; the only limit is battery capacity. The key distinction is the plug in part of phev. Mild hybrids cannot go electric only Hybrids can go electric only for very short distance. PHEV can go electric long distance and use wall power. Most can mechanically couple the combustion engine to the wheels and do so in certain circumstances, like long distance highway use. EREV is an emerging term for vehicles that have a combustion engine not mechanically connected to the wheels that only drives a generator. BMW i3 is one of the oldest examples. Volt is not; it can put mechanical power to the road. Fun fact on i3. California zero emissions rules offered more credit for vehicles with more battery range than gas, so bmw artificially limited the tank using software for i3 sold in North America. Owners can flash the euro firmware to unlock physically present tank space as usable.
- gigatexal 2y agoMake it 1000%. I, too, love these targeted reprisal tariffs. Go Canada.
- _aavaa_ 2y agoEven better suggestion in the comments: > Remove the 100% on Chinese EV's, but impose 100% on Tesla no matter where it comes from. Have them stop buttressing a protectionist scheme and let their citizen get access to affordable EV from companies who care about making affordable ones.
- mkrishnan 2y ago[dead]
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- yongjik 2y agoIn 2023, China's export to Canada was 45.1 billion dollars. China's export to the US was 501 billion dollars. So why is the US propping up China's authoritarian dictatorship? Is this "Only the US gets to prop up dictators in the world, Canada should just follow orders!" kind of deal?
- aaomidi 2y agoAlso, out of all the countries out there the devastation the US has caused in the global south has no comparison.
- AlecSchueler 2y agoThe UK, Portugal and Spain are surely up there.
- aaomidi 2y agoYep!
- Marsymars 2y agoWell out of Trump, Biden, Harris and Xi Jinping, only one is actively and explicitly hostile towards Canada, and it’s not Winnie-the-Pooh-man. If you want allies in supporting democracy and human rights, the obvious approach is to not attack said allies.
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- watwut 2y agoI mean, the whole issue would be avoided of America did not voted for sociopath president who was doing bad business whole his life. Trump was literally loosing money he inherited again and again and again whole his life. And I mean, not because he would be following laws while criminals got ahead. No, he was a fraudster who still managed to loose money.
- rlnvlc 2y agoUS elected a businessman that bankrupted a casino, so I guess that's what's going to happen to US: bankruptcy.
- timeon 2y agoIs there chance you own some TSLA?
- broken_clock 2y ago> If you elected a businessman or a lawyer, he/she'd tell you that Canadian exports to the US are 2x the imports from the US, An honest one wouldn't, because it's categorically untrue. "U.S. exports were $441 billion, while imports were $482 billion, resulting in a United States $41 billion trade deficit with Canada." This doesn't even count the multinational tech corporations providing services in Canada through a local subsidiary, something that is not counted in balance of payments.
- jltsiren 2y agoThe honest one would not be a businessman. But this is probably culture-specific. When Finnish media describes someone as (the Finnish equivalent of) a businessman, he is almost certainly doing some shady stuff and has often also committed crimes. People described as entrepreneurs tend to be more respectable and more likely just doing legitimate business.
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- jmpman 2y agoWhy doesn’t Canada just go nuclear and proliferate nuclear technology to any country which the US imposes tariffs upon? If you’re a country with free will, play the game all the way.
- bluefirebrand 2y agoBecause we don't want to throw gas on an already rough situation? There is no need to go scorched earth immediately, it hasn't even been a day yet
- jmpman 2y agoPowering down the North Warning System seems like another option? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Warning_System https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Warning_System
- skeaker 2y agoThe endest-endgame should probably be avoiding a nuclear apocalypse, and distributing nuclear arms would go counter to that.
- defrost 2y agoCanada already made that choice, sided with the British and provided plans and materials to the United States that initiated and sustained the Manhatten Project. They are the OG's of nuclear weapons proliferation. https://ahf.nuclearmuseum.org/ahf/location/canada/ https://ahf.nuclearmuseum.org/ahf/location/canada/ https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/canada-and-the-manhattan-project https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/canada-and...
- dredmorbius 2y agoThere's also the Avro CF-105 Arrow fighter jet cancelled, it's widely understood, under US pressure in 1959: <https://toronto.citynews.ca/2023/09/19/long-secret-canadian-intelligence-sealed-avro-arrows-cancellation-new-paper-says/ https://toronto.citynews.ca/2023/09/19/long-secret-canadian-...> <https://theaviationgeekclub.com/magnificent-failure-the-story-of-avro-cf-105-arrow/ https://theaviationgeekclub.com/magnificent-failure-the-stor...> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_Canada_CF-105_Arrow https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_Canada_CF-105_Arrow>
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- Marsymars 2y agoI’d make sure a tariff on Tesla includes both parts on service so that existing owners aren’t benefitting from increased residual value. (I’d expect that the residual value would be offset given appropriately higher maintenance costs.)
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- hnburnsy 2y ago"A Canadian candidate for Prime Minister" does not equal "Canada".
- belter 2y agoAnd it's flagged...
- throw16180339 2y agoAny story about Musk gets flagged, although sometimes dang restores them.