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Tesla electric car sales plunge again in Australia – Model 3 down more than 81 p
- JumpCrisscross 2y agoEurope, Canada, Mexico and everyone else getting the Trump & Musk heel turn should seriously consider special tariffs on all Teslas and super-premium registration charges on their luxury models. In the same way that TikTok is a security threat to America, Teslas and Starlink are threats to the free world. (I’d also throw in a ban on domestic content owners providing training material to xAI, but I’ll admit I have a vindictive streak.)
- kjkjadksj 2y agoElon doesn’t care about Tesla anymore. He has moved on to other playthings unfortunately for us all.
- gman83 2y agoHe still hasn't got his $56 billion pay package, right? I imagine he'll at least want to prop the stock up until he gets that.
- kjkjadksj 2y agoI thought his net worth was 5x that these days? Either way he has pumped tesla easily before. “Funding secured.”
- timbit42 2y agoAbout half his net worth is Tesla, but it fluctuates.
- goshx 2y agoI agree. Nothing prevents the mad man from using Tesla cars and Starlink for surveillance.
- gruez 2y agoTeslas already have an always-on cell modem. Unless you live in the boonies, adding starlink isn't going to make you more trackable than you are already.
- goshx 2y agoI didn’t mean using both together. Teslas could be used for surveillance with their cameras and microphones. Starlink is providing internet, so any of their users’ traffic could be monitored or access cut/manipulated.
- rvnx 2y agoMicrophones and cameras could be used to "protect national US interests" ?
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago> nothing prevents the mad man from using Tesla cars and Starlink for surveillance Forget surveillance: refusal to support. (Bricking has no plausible deniability.) If you don’t do X, Y and Z I will be forced to geoblock your country; if that causes cars to stop driving so be it.
- rvnx 2y agoPossibly: "Your car is unavailable for regulatory reasons", blaming the shift on the European Union.
- theultdev 2y agoStarlink is helping Ukraine, connects many remote populations, and provides emergency connectivity during natural disasters. Tesla brought EVs to the mainstream. How exactly are they a threat to the free world?
- closewith 2y agoAny and all dependence on the US is now a liability to the remaining democracies.
- rvnx 2y agohttps://www.reuters.com/business/us-could-cut-ukraines-access-starlink-internet-services-over-minerals-say-2025-02-22/ https://www.reuters.com/business/us-could-cut-ukraines-acces...
- theultdev 2y agokeyword: could but in this reality now they are helping and have been for awhile. articles like those you have linked have always been appearing, but it only highlights how useful starlink has been. what other company has helped provide internet to ukraine?
- rtkwe 2y agoThey already did cut it once around the Black Sea coast and prevented an attack on some Russian ships in the region. Something that USAID was investigating Starlink for (and I'm sure this next part is a total coincidence /s) and USAID was one of the first targets of the DOGE purges.
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- bovermyer 2y agoThe article touches on it a little, but I'd like to know answers to the following questions: - Are car sales in general down? - Are other EV makers seeing a corresponding uptick in sales? - Are ICE vehicles seeing an uptick in sales? Just knowing that Tesla sales for a specific model have tanked doesn't tell me enough. The article mentions that Polestar and BYD are seeing an increase in sales over the last year, but doesn't say whether the last couple months have seen a higher increase than previously.
- cogman10 2y ago> Are car sales in general down? Apparently not [1] > Are other EV makers seeing a corresponding uptick in sales? Doesn't really look like it [2], but I've not plotted a line chart to see if it's just well distributed. There doesn't appear to be any 1 automaker that is breaking out with Tesla's drop. > Are ICE vehicles seeing an uptick in sales? Given the first two, I'd say probably. With sales pretty much the same and no EV brand that appears to have went up my guess is that ICE is where the slack is going. [1] https://www.marklines.com/en/statistics/flash_sales/automotive-sales-in-australia-by-month https://www.marklines.com/en/statistics/flash_sales/automoti... [2] https://thedriven.io/2025/03/04/australian-electric-vehicle-sales-by-month-and-by-model-in-2025/ https://thedriven.io/2025/03/04/australian-electric-vehicle-...
- gruez 2y ago>> Are car sales in general down? >Apparently not [1] >[1] https://www.marklines.com/en/statistics/flash_sales/automoti https://www.marklines.com/en/statistics/flash_sales/automoti... Your source says the opposite? >Passenger car sales of 12,783 units in January represented a 22.2% decrease from the same period in 2024, SUV sales of 52,748 units represented a 5.9% increase
- cogman10 2y agoThere's a dip for sure, but not quite the drastic dip of tesla sales. Also note that the number of passenger cars sold is much lower than the number of SUV. A fairly good indication that people are buying SUVs rather than passenger cars. If you look at the bar graph, the total drop is 89k to 86k. Which represents about a 1% decrease in total sales.
- thinkingtoilet 2y agoI'm asking this because I genuinely don't know, but at what point do Tesla shareholders sue the company? Musk's actions, like them or not, are actively hurting the company. There are many people who will never buy a Tesla who otherwise would due to Musk.
- gruez 2y ago>but at what point do Tesla shareholders sue the company? Musk's actions, like them or not, are actively hurting the company. Claiming that an executive breached his fiduciary duty requires clearing a pretty high bar, far higher than "his actions hurt the company". Practically speaking the best recourse tesla shareholders have is to either sell their shares, or launch a proxy fight.
- Eddy_Viscosity2 2y agoHe relocated to Texas specifically because it was a friendlier judicial environment for him. Even in the incredibly unlikely event this approach worked and the court ruled against him, he'd just relocate to a state that offered him a better deal. There is no accountability in our present system for someone like Elon Musk. Too rich, too connected, too powerful to touch.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago> at what point do Tesla shareholders sue the company? I’m struggling to picture a court of law that could hold Musk accountable right now.
- drannex 2y agoEuropean courts could, Latin American as well, possibly Asian for the international markets, which would then be pressure on the American HQ and courts as the international market is, last I checked >50% of their sales. Likely less so now, since they are dropping so heavily in every market (including China, as of this morning, plunging by 49%^1 - China _made_ up ~25% of their sales). ^1 https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/tesla-stock-price-sell-off-china-ev-sales-europe-byd-2025-3?utm_source=chatgpt.com https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/tesla-stock-...
- stubish 2y agoI'm sure a big chunk is people not wanting to associate with Musk (not many fans over here) or attract vandals. But it is worth noticing that a number of competing cars have recently dropped prices, trying to compete with BYD and MG who are completely dominating the AUS EV market. Tesla is in luxury car territory, along with the majority of EVs.
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- apples_oranges 2y agoMy feeling is that this will extend not just to Tesla but anything made in the US as long as it can be replaced elsewhere.
- apwell23 2y agonope. ppl only care about price. remember all the DEI stuff after flyod. its all died down.
- thelastgallon 2y agoAlso, Tesla's China Nightmare: Sales Crash 49% as BYD Tightens Its Grip--Is This the Beginning of the End? https://finance.yahoo.com/news/teslas-china-nightmare-sales-crash-145652030.html https://finance.yahoo.com/news/teslas-china-nightmare-sales-... China is the world's largest car market.
- bryanlarsen 2y agoThe Tesla factory in China was closed for a good chunk of January and February to retool for the new Model Y. So a February dip was expected. We'll have to wait a few more months for accurate numbers out of China. Which will result in similar headlines, I'm sure. Chinese EV's are super competitive, and Trump starting a trade war with China is not going to work out well for Tesla.
- light_triad 2y ago> Local brands, including Xiaomi, are gearing up to launch direct competitors, with the upcoming YU7 More details: Why a Chinese Gadget Company Can Make an Electric Car and Apple Can’t https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/28/business/china-xiaomi-apple-electric-cars.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/28/business/china-xiaomi-app...
- rvnx 2y agoThe idea of an Apple car is awesome though
- acc_297 2y agoReminds me of the situation in Canada[1], which was due mostly to a government subsidy being phased out but certainly also in part "personality driven". In general it seems like local subsidies are a huge driver of the global EV market share [2] - one hopes that the EV market will be able to stand on it's own one day and on it's own merits the technology will reach price parity with fossil fuels. [1] https://www.thestar.com/business/tesla-sales-are-down-but-its-not-due-to-elon-musk/article_436c85f0-eaee-11ef-867a-3b2ce4484170.html https://www.thestar.com/business/tesla-sales-are-down-but-it... [2] https://www.iea.org/reports/global-ev-outlook-2024/trends-in-electric-cars https://www.iea.org/reports/global-ev-outlook-2024/trends-in...
- acc_297 2y agoOh, and specific to Tesla from a WP article last week: “ About a third of Tesla’s $35 billion in profits since 2014 has come from selling federal and state regulatory credits to other automakers. The credits are given to automakers that meet certain standards, including selling a certain percentage of zero-emission vehicles. Tesla is the largest seller of these credits to automakers that don’t meet the standards and want to avoid paying a fine.”
- x187463 2y agoAre there any other carmakers with anything close to SFSD? People love to hate and act as though SFSD doesn't work, but SFSD v13 has driven ~95% of the miles on my model 3. From the driveway to the office and back, SFSD drives the car with minimal input. I would love to switch to a different manufacturer without giving up the huge convenience. Either way, I certainly won't buy another Tesla while Elon is running the place.
- slaw 2y agoBYD, Geely, Xpeng.
- drcongo 2y agoShit Full Self Driving?
- boshalfoshal 2y agoNo, I think v13 on HW4 is best in class, apart from the obvious (non-consumer operations) like Waymo. But I think automomy is not enough to draw people to a new vehicle. Tesla has a branding/advertising issue with v13 because people conflate it with Autosteer (which isn't FSD), or they had a bad experience with v11/v12 and write it off completely, or they have a HW3 (majority of people) - which FSD isn't as great on.
- x187463 2y agoIt certainly seems as though many people's opinion of FSD is very much out of date. I recall riding in a friend's M3 in 2020 when he attempted to demonstrate FSD (or whatever it was called at the time). We didn't make it more than a minute or so before he had to deactivate it. When I picked up my M3 years later, I assumed FSD would still be mostly vaporware. I honestly can't believe how good is has gotten. It's not perfect and I maintain full awareness of what it's doing, but it performs incredibly well 95% of the time. It's really nice to feel like you're being driven by a mostly competent driver everywhere you go. Really, it makes about the same number (or less) of mistakes as other people I've driven with, but the mistakes are of a different sort, and after a while you develop an intuition of the situations that are going to challenge it.
- Fischgericht 2y agoI am soooo looking forward to the registration numbers for Tesla in February, which should be coming in the next days. Right now the high score appears to be: - Australien: -72% - China: -50% - Denmark: -48% - France: -45% - Norway: -44% [1] I really really hope my home country Germany can make it to #1. [1] Press releases have reported a 70% drop, but the numbers do not back this up. Maybe it's 70% drop in market share.
- iainctduncan 2y agoWouldn't be surprised if Canada takes it going forward though.... :-)
- Fischgericht 2y agoFor February probably not, they might have cared less about the "Heil Musk" stuff than we in Europe did. I guess for March Canada however might make it to the top 5...
- croes 2y agoIt’s a two-edged sword for Germany given its Tesla factory.
- Fischgericht 2y agoNot really. In the last couple of years the German automakers completely missed the trend towards EVs had only had a laughable product palette. This also causes them to close a lot of factories in Europe, and that is still happening right now. But you have to keep in mind that the market for EVs is growing. So, once Tesla closes their factory, Volkswagen & Co will be more than happy to hire those workers. And of course, with arson attacks on Tesla stuff becoming common over here, the factory might go up in flames soon, anyway.
- Gud 2y agoIndeed. This is how Tesla got their hands on the Gigafactory in the US
- amriksohata 2y agotesla had an early run, there is a lot more competition, their share price is holding well at the same levels its been for the last 3-4 years, bar some peaks and troughs, for good reason
- tim333 2y agoSome torched in France too now https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14459107/Tesla-showroom-torched-arson-attack-France-550-000-cars-destroyed-amid-growing-fury-Europe-Elon-Musks-EU-meddling-Trump-Ukraine-funding-row.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14459107/Tesla-show... I'm not sure the new image is going well. Musk himself seems cheerful says the salute thing was nothing on Joe Rogan a couple of days ago https://youtu.be/sSOxPJD-VNo?t=664 https://youtu.be/sSOxPJD-VNo?t=664