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It is the parent's responsibility to look after their child. If they're using the internet unmonitored when young, the parent is at fault. This responsibility s

by chii 2y ago

It is the parent's responsibility to look after their child. If they're using the internet unmonitored when young, the parent is at fault. This responsibility should not be forced upon the gov't which would have to add any draconian laws to prevent mishaps.

ars 2y ago
This argument will only work when they get rid of encrypted and one-time messages in apps. Otherwise it's completely impossible for a parent to monitor their kid. It's quite something to tell a parent: It's your job to monitor your kid, but also we're going to block your ability to do so.
- chii 2y ago
  The parent remains in control of a child's electronics. While there's some privacy that a child ought to have, the parents still have the responsibility to monitor their child's online interactions (including with strangers in an encrypted messaging app). The parent doesn't need to be able to secretly decrypt it - they can just ask, and to impose the rule that the child tell the parent who these other people are. And occasionally audit it. This relationship is not the same as a gov't with the citizenry.
  - ars 2y ago
    Did you ignore the "one-time messages" part of my post? Or that you can delete messages? Apps these days are ultra privacy focused. It's not actually possible to monitor kids. It's just not.
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    - zeta0134 2y ago
      I grew up with a flip phone and an old laptop without a wireless card. I managed to learn how to program on it just fine, and that's what it was given to be for. I also played lots of video games. Oh no? No porn though. No communication with adults online either. For that I went to the computer lab or the library, both monitored. Why would this be hard to do in today's age? There are even movements organized by the kids themselves that recognize the danger of the smartphone.
      - 542354234235 2y ago
        >Why would this be hard to do in today's age? Because we live in an age where coffeemakers have wifi cards in them. You can get a USB wifi card for $5. Every coffee shop has free wifi. Half of 6th graders have a cell phone. You can’t control kids on the internet because they have access whenever they are around other kids. This is painfully outdated advice that acts as if nothing has changed in 30 years.
        zeta0134 2y ago
        When I accessed the internet using some other person's device, my parents tended to notice. Opportunities to do that unsupervised were few and far between. The parents catching it most of the time was sufficient to deter bad behavior. Kids aren't criminal masterminds as a general rule.
        542354234235 2y ago
        > Opportunities to do that unsupervised were few and far between Hanging out with friends at any location outside the direct line of sight of a parent is not few and far between. Kids can share phones on the bus to school or in the bathroom in between class or at the mall (or wherever kids hang out now). >Kids aren't criminal masterminds as a general rule. Kids aren’t criminal masterminds but they want to socialize with their friends. Kids used to sneak out of the house, then they would sneak to the house phone late at night, then they would sneak down to the family computer to chat on AIM, then they would text on their phones, and now they get around parental controls or get old phones to get chat/social media apps. Kids have always done it and will always do it, and now it also exposes them to the whole internet and all that comes with that.
pjc50 2y ago
You're saying everything is fine, the parent just needs to spend 24/7 looking over the child's shoulder?
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- 9dev 2y ago
  They should raise their kids in a manner so they can be trusted to browse the web responsibly and talk to their parents about scary stuff.
  - forgetfreeman 2y ago
    I think you'll find some difficulty training children to complete tasks that adults routinely struggle with. Additionally there's the minor issue of defeating the literal billions in R&D that have gone into gamification and other dark patterns. Even your own comment ending with how children should communicate with their parents after being traumatized by internet content suggests you agree that traumatizing content is pervasive and likely unavoidable.
  - jonhohle 2y ago
    Tell me you are not a parent without telling me you are not a parent.
  - ipython 2y ago
    No offense, but do you have kids of social media age and, if so, are you 100% certain this is true for them? I know I can’t say that for my own. One of my kids has a very addictive personality. Great kid, smart, gets good grades. But 100% addicted to YouTube. He will lie straight to your face, sneak an unlocked phone to his room, and watch 22 hours straight of random videos. I shudder of the day he discovers internet pornography. He has no natural defense mechanism and he’s up against billions of dollars and decades of research on how to stoke addiction (aka “engagement”)
    - 2y ago

by chii 2y ago

ars 2y ago

This argument will only work when they get rid of encrypted and one-time messages in apps. Otherwise it's completely impossible for a parent to monitor their kid. It's quite something to tell a parent: It's your job to monitor your kid, but also we're going to block your ability to do so.

chii 2y ago
The parent remains in control of a child's electronics. While there's some privacy that a child ought to have, the parents still have the responsibility to monitor their child's online interactions (including with strangers in an encrypted messaging app). The parent doesn't need to be able to secretly decrypt it - they can just ask, and to impose the rule that the child tell the parent who these other people are. And occasionally audit it. This relationship is not the same as a gov't with the citizenry.
- ars 2y ago
  Did you ignore the "one-time messages" part of my post? Or that you can delete messages? Apps these days are ultra privacy focused. It's not actually possible to monitor kids. It's just not.
  - deleted 2y ago
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  - zeta0134 2y ago
    I grew up with a flip phone and an old laptop without a wireless card. I managed to learn how to program on it just fine, and that's what it was given to be for. I also played lots of video games. Oh no? No porn though. No communication with adults online either. For that I went to the computer lab or the library, both monitored. Why would this be hard to do in today's age? There are even movements organized by the kids themselves that recognize the danger of the smartphone.
    - 542354234235 2y ago
      >Why would this be hard to do in today's age? Because we live in an age where coffeemakers have wifi cards in them. You can get a USB wifi card for $5. Every coffee shop has free wifi. Half of 6th graders have a cell phone. You can’t control kids on the internet because they have access whenever they are around other kids. This is painfully outdated advice that acts as if nothing has changed in 30 years.
      - zeta0134 2y ago
        When I accessed the internet using some other person's device, my parents tended to notice. Opportunities to do that unsupervised were few and far between. The parents catching it most of the time was sufficient to deter bad behavior. Kids aren't criminal masterminds as a general rule.
        542354234235 2y ago
        > Opportunities to do that unsupervised were few and far between Hanging out with friends at any location outside the direct line of sight of a parent is not few and far between. Kids can share phones on the bus to school or in the bathroom in between class or at the mall (or wherever kids hang out now). >Kids aren't criminal masterminds as a general rule. Kids aren’t criminal masterminds but they want to socialize with their friends. Kids used to sneak out of the house, then they would sneak to the house phone late at night, then they would sneak down to the family computer to chat on AIM, then they would text on their phones, and now they get around parental controls or get old phones to get chat/social media apps. Kids have always done it and will always do it, and now it also exposes them to the whole internet and all that comes with that.

pjc50 2y ago

You're saying everything is fine, the parent just needs to spend 24/7 looking over the child's shoulder?

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9dev 2y ago
They should raise their kids in a manner so they can be trusted to browse the web responsibly and talk to their parents about scary stuff.
- forgetfreeman 2y ago
  I think you'll find some difficulty training children to complete tasks that adults routinely struggle with. Additionally there's the minor issue of defeating the literal billions in R&D that have gone into gamification and other dark patterns. Even your own comment ending with how children should communicate with their parents after being traumatized by internet content suggests you agree that traumatizing content is pervasive and likely unavoidable.
- jonhohle 2y ago
  Tell me you are not a parent without telling me you are not a parent.
- ipython 2y ago
  No offense, but do you have kids of social media age and, if so, are you 100% certain this is true for them? I know I can’t say that for my own. One of my kids has a very addictive personality. Great kid, smart, gets good grades. But 100% addicted to YouTube. He will lie straight to your face, sneak an unlocked phone to his room, and watch 22 hours straight of random videos. I shudder of the day he discovers internet pornography. He has no natural defense mechanism and he’s up against billions of dollars and decades of research on how to stoke addiction (aka “engagement”)
  - 2y ago