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How do they just decide to stop enforcing a law passed by congress?

by jrochkind1 2y ago

datavirtue 2y ago
You are witnessing the break down of law and order.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > You are witnessing the break down of law and order The rule of law. (And Presidents have done this before.) Law and order refers to crime and punishment [1]. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_and_order_(politics) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_and_order_(politics)
  - aSanchezStern 2y ago
    I mean, yeah, they are saying that you can commit a crime and they won't punish you. That's what "suspending enforcement" means. I think what you mean is that "law and order" is usually applied to poor criminals, where as what is happening here is refusing to enforce laws on the rich criminals.
    - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
      > think what you mean is that "law and order" is usually applied to poor criminals No, I mean the “order” bit of law and order pertains to the criminal effects. The Wikipedia article has a good reference to examples of order without law. The law has been suspended. But we have no evidence of resulting criminality. If and when that criminality occurs, that is the breakdown of order.
bananapub 2y ago
the trick is to spend 30 years stacking the courts with charlatans who value the political project above all else, and to have a congress full of complete losers with no self respect or desire for public service
- vuln 2y ago
  Dang. I didn’t know MAGA existed 30 years ago. Hell they didn’t even exist 20 years ago. Quite powerful.
  - CursedSilicon 2y ago
    This isn't a MAGA thing. This rot started with Nixon
    - SauciestGNU 2y ago
      The rot started with the Business Plot, it's just that WW2 beat fascism back for a generation and they couldn't functionally regroup until Nixon's time.
  - alabastervlog 2y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Heritage_Foundation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Heritage_Foundation Working to dramatically alter the courts and protect criminal presidents from consequences since 1973. Notice what very-recent document they're behind, having "2025" in the title. Take a look over the "positions" section, too. I don't want to overstate the situation, but this organization is pretty close to being the most-apt answer to "why can't we have nice things?"
brutal_chaos_ 2y ago
Because no one will stop them.
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How do they just decide to stop enforcing a law passed by congress?

datavirtue 2y ago

You are witnessing the break down of law and order.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> You are witnessing the break down of law and order The rule of law. (And Presidents have done this before.) Law and order refers to crime and punishment [1]. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_and_order_(politics) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_and_order_(politics)
- aSanchezStern 2y ago
  I mean, yeah, they are saying that you can commit a crime and they won't punish you. That's what "suspending enforcement" means. I think what you mean is that "law and order" is usually applied to poor criminals, where as what is happening here is refusing to enforce laws on the rich criminals.
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > think what you mean is that "law and order" is usually applied to poor criminals No, I mean the “order” bit of law and order pertains to the criminal effects. The Wikipedia article has a good reference to examples of order without law. The law has been suspended. But we have no evidence of resulting criminality. If and when that criminality occurs, that is the breakdown of order.

bananapub 2y ago

the trick is to spend 30 years stacking the courts with charlatans who value the political project above all else, and to have a congress full of complete losers with no self respect or desire for public service

vuln 2y ago
Dang. I didn’t know MAGA existed 30 years ago. Hell they didn’t even exist 20 years ago. Quite powerful.
- CursedSilicon 2y ago
  This isn't a MAGA thing. This rot started with Nixon
  - SauciestGNU 2y ago
    The rot started with the Business Plot, it's just that WW2 beat fascism back for a generation and they couldn't functionally regroup until Nixon's time.
- alabastervlog 2y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Heritage_Foundation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Heritage_Foundation Working to dramatically alter the courts and protect criminal presidents from consequences since 1973. Notice what very-recent document they're behind, having "2025" in the title. Take a look over the "positions" section, too. I don't want to overstate the situation, but this organization is pretty close to being the most-apt answer to "why can't we have nice things?"

brutal_chaos_ 2y ago

Because no one will stop them.

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