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Don't know what you mean by "interacts horribly with VMware" but people who care about that is probably a small demographic given the target market of Windows.

by barista 14y ago

Don't know what you mean by "interacts horribly with VMware" but people who care about that is probably a small demographic given the target market of Windows. Also the cheaper feel of laptops was a valid argument a few years ago but since then quite a few ultrabooks have been available that are quite sleek.

acdha 14y ago
On the subject of ultrabooks: I've seen plenty which look sleek. I have yet to find one which combines equivalent quality fit and finish, screen, keyboard, and battery life at any meaningful cost savings. Even if such a product exists, the other side of that is hardware / software integration: does the vendor not install a bunch of crap which needs to be removed / disabled, did Microsoft provide a single, simple place to configure and interact with the system (hint: maybe for Windows 9), etc. None of these are unworkable but I've heard them mentioned over and over by people who've switched from PCs to Macs over the last decade[1] enough that it feels like the sharp decline of the traditional PC industry is more due to some local-minima revenue decisions than anything else. 1. That describes me as well but I'm excluding my own experience as unrepresentative & sticking to more normal users
seanmcdirmid 14y ago
Those ultra books haven't been around for a "few years" yet so pc laptop reputation is still in the gutter. I have yet to experience a decent pc laptop personally, I've heard they exist, but our IT department hasn't short listed them yet. I hope this changes soon. VMware is fairly important in the enterprise.
acdha 14y ago
I just meant that I tried the Windows 8 preview VM and found the UI quite hard to use from a simple interaction perspective. I think some native input hardware would go a long way towards making things like the invisible side navigation easier to access.

by barista 14y ago

acdha 14y ago

On the subject of ultrabooks: I've seen plenty which look sleek. I have yet to find one which combines equivalent quality fit and finish, screen, keyboard, and battery life at any meaningful cost savings. Even if such a product exists, the other side of that is hardware / software integration: does the vendor not install a bunch of crap which needs to be removed / disabled, did Microsoft provide a single, simple place to configure and interact with the system (hint: maybe for Windows 9), etc. None of these are unworkable but I've heard them mentioned over and over by people who've switched from PCs to Macs over the last decade[1] enough that it feels like the sharp decline of the traditional PC industry is more due to some local-minima revenue decisions than anything else. 1. That describes me as well but I'm excluding my own experience as unrepresentative & sticking to more normal users

seanmcdirmid 14y ago

Those ultra books haven't been around for a "few years" yet so pc laptop reputation is still in the gutter. I have yet to experience a decent pc laptop personally, I've heard they exist, but our IT department hasn't short listed them yet. I hope this changes soon. VMware is fairly important in the enterprise.

acdha 14y ago

I just meant that I tried the Windows 8 preview VM and found the UI quite hard to use from a simple interaction perspective. I think some native input hardware would go a long way towards making things like the invisible side navigation easier to access.