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Well, what do we move to now?

chgs 2y ago
There are three browsers. Chrome, Firefox and safari The rest are basically skins. How much does “brave” contribute to chromium? How much does librefox contribute to the core Firefox engine?
- kennysoona 2y ago
  Some offer functionality not found in the main browser they fork from, like Waterefox having the ability to share normal, private and tor tabs all in one browser window.
- homebrewer 2y ago
  Vivaldi does quite a bit of upstream development (for their team size), and it is as close to the original Opera as you're going to get. It is proprietary, though (but their history w.r.t to treating their users right is better than everybody else, except maybe Apple).
- Dotnaught 2y ago
  Brave disables or removes a number of Chromium features: https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/wiki/Deviations-from-Chromium-%28features-we-disable-or-remove%29 https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/wiki/Deviations-from-...
deadbabe 2y ago
Brave
- gear54rus 2y ago
  It does not suppport extensions on mobile, bascially useless at being a user agent in the true sense of the word.
- dwedge 2y ago
  Is that the same Brave that injected their crypto functionality into the HTML of sites downloaded over HTTPS, like Twitter? I don't trust them
  - econ 2y ago
    It's fast tho, really fast
    - hasperdi 2y ago
      Chrome is also fast
      - econ 2y ago
        I have some shamefully bloated webpages and some rather low end computes. I don't know why or how and realize it is highly anecdotal. Just sharing my surprise. I don't have any extensions. (if you do add things to chrome that are native in brave I imagine it to work slower) Perhaps it is my limited ram that holds back (the more memory hungry) chrome. Not sure how regularly calling home affects chrome.
  - AshamedCaptain 2y ago
    Brave's entire business model is pretty explicitly about selling your data for targeted advertisements. I find it unreasonable to even suggest Brave as an alternative if your concern with Mozilla is the "selling your data" language. Also re MitM'ing for crypto mining: I was never in favor of pushing Brendan out of Mozilla for being a supposed right-wing nut, but I am not surprised either to see that, given free reign, he _is_ a right-wing nut.
    - homebrewer 2y ago
      There's even more FUD about Brave than there is about Mozilla. Brave downloads all ads and decides on what it shows you locally; the data never leaves your machine. You also have to opt-in into this system, it is disabled by default.
magicalhippo 2y ago
Being discussed here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43229267 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43229267
mcherm 2y ago
One of the good things about this article is that it linked to a significant number of Firefox forks that are being offered.
mre 2y ago
If you're looking for a Firefox fork, a couple of options come to mind: - Floorp (https://floorp.app https://floorp.app) - Zen (https://zen-browser.app https://zen-browser.app) - Mullvad Browser (https://mullvad.net/browser https://mullvad.net/browser) - LibreWolf (https://librewolf.net https://librewolf.net) - WaterFox (https://www.waterfox.net https://www.waterfox.net) Besides that, there's also Brave and perhaps Chromium.
- Bancakes 2y ago
  Specifically, ungoogled chromium
  - horsawlarway 2y ago
    Definitely this over default chromium.
    - Eddy_Viscosity2 2y ago
      Do any run ublock?
      - einpoklum 2y ago
        I'm using UnGoogled Chromium right now, and it seems not to be willing to install uBlock Origin. You can use uBlock Origin Lite. Ironically, The author of uBlock originally recommended switching to Firefox; I wonder if he'll want to change that recommendation now...
        Semaphor 2y ago
        > I wonder if he'll want to change that recommendation now... The recommendation is because Firefox is the only browser running full uBo (and even before uBo on FF had slightly more features than Chrome). Nothing changed there.
        2y ago
ekianjo 2y ago
Here are alternatives listed here, all FOSS: https://boilingsteam.com/poll-trust-in-firefox-mozilla-is-gone/ https://boilingsteam.com/poll-trust-in-firefox-mozilla-is-go...
HackerThemAll 2y ago
Nowhere. The whole panic is just attention. Nothing's gonna change wrt to your data at Mozilla, especially that you can disable *everything* straight from settings and/or about:config.
- cwillu 2y ago
  They stopped letting you access about:config on mobile on the normal releases a long time ago.
  - moho 2y ago
    You can access about:config on mobile FF (all versions, including release channel) at this very intuitive URL: chrome://geckoview/content/config.xhtml
- seqizz 2y ago
  Until one of the next minor updates
mglvsky 2y ago
I was going to suggest Ladybird, but it isn't released yet :)
lawn 2y ago
It looks like I'll be stuck with Firefox until a Servo browser or Ladybird matures... Which unfortunately isn't anytime soon.
Xelbair 2y ago
Probably Librewolf, or other firefox clone sadly. I got burned by waterfox in the past, so i'm still reluctant.
- tofof 2y ago
  Can you explain what burned you? I imagine many of us are trying to sift through the raft of alternatives, and waterfox is a frequent mention, so data about pros and cons is valuable.
  - kristjank 2y ago
    For what it's worth, Waterfox has issues with the mozilla addon store at the moment. I was planning on Firefox Sync'ing everything over to my waterfox install, then deleting my account, but it's unable to install and reconfigure my shitload of plugins I'm using.
    - excalq 2y ago
      I've noticed that it's trivial to install addons directly from their xpi packages on GitHub release pages.
  - Xelbair 2y ago
    if i remember right, it was ages ago, they were bought out by 'advertiser friendly' company. I'm as advertiser hostile as i can be as i find that whole industry to be a cancer upon this earth.
- EasyMark 2y ago
  i've been using floorp for about a year with no issues other than the rare "chrome only" pages, for those I just use vivaldi. Floorp with sideberry and ublock is a pretty nice setup.
agilob 2y ago
Do not need to move anywhere. This is literally a non-issue started for fun by tiktok idiots who didn't read the ToS. Nothing in Mozillas behaviour is changing, they had to reword the ToS for legal reasons. https://old.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/1j0n4un/firefox_and_tos/ https://old.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/1j0n4un/firefox_...
- BoiledCabbage 2y ago
  The reddit post you link does not support your argument. Your should read past the initial post to the comments where what your say is refuted.
- yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
  > Nothing in Mozillas behaviour is changing, they had to reword the ToS for legal reasons. The legal reasons appear to be that they are and/or have been and/or will sell user data: > In order to make Firefox commercially viable, there are a number of places where we collect and share some data with our partners, including our optional ads on New Tab and providing sponsored suggestions in the search bar. - https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/firefox/update-on-terms-of-use/ https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/firefox/update-on-terms...
nosioptar 2y ago
Lynx is the only clear choice. It doesn't sell your data. It doesn't advertise other services like Pocket. It doesn't need an ad blocker. Its immune to JavaScript exploits.

chgs 2y ago

There are three browsers. Chrome, Firefox and safari The rest are basically skins. How much does “brave” contribute to chromium? How much does librefox contribute to the core Firefox engine?

kennysoona 2y ago
Some offer functionality not found in the main browser they fork from, like Waterefox having the ability to share normal, private and tor tabs all in one browser window.
homebrewer 2y ago
Vivaldi does quite a bit of upstream development (for their team size), and it is as close to the original Opera as you're going to get. It is proprietary, though (but their history w.r.t to treating their users right is better than everybody else, except maybe Apple).
Dotnaught 2y ago
Brave disables or removes a number of Chromium features: https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/wiki/Deviations-from-Chromium-%28features-we-disable-or-remove%29 https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/wiki/Deviations-from-...

deadbabe 2y ago

Brave

gear54rus 2y ago
It does not suppport extensions on mobile, bascially useless at being a user agent in the true sense of the word.
dwedge 2y ago
Is that the same Brave that injected their crypto functionality into the HTML of sites downloaded over HTTPS, like Twitter? I don't trust them
- econ 2y ago
  It's fast tho, really fast
  - hasperdi 2y ago
    Chrome is also fast
    - econ 2y ago
      I have some shamefully bloated webpages and some rather low end computes. I don't know why or how and realize it is highly anecdotal. Just sharing my surprise. I don't have any extensions. (if you do add things to chrome that are native in brave I imagine it to work slower) Perhaps it is my limited ram that holds back (the more memory hungry) chrome. Not sure how regularly calling home affects chrome.
- AshamedCaptain 2y ago
  Brave's entire business model is pretty explicitly about selling your data for targeted advertisements. I find it unreasonable to even suggest Brave as an alternative if your concern with Mozilla is the "selling your data" language. Also re MitM'ing for crypto mining: I was never in favor of pushing Brendan out of Mozilla for being a supposed right-wing nut, but I am not surprised either to see that, given free reign, he _is_ a right-wing nut.
  - homebrewer 2y ago
    There's even more FUD about Brave than there is about Mozilla. Brave downloads all ads and decides on what it shows you locally; the data never leaves your machine. You also have to opt-in into this system, it is disabled by default.

magicalhippo 2y ago

Being discussed here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43229267 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43229267

mcherm 2y ago

One of the good things about this article is that it linked to a significant number of Firefox forks that are being offered.

mre 2y ago

If you're looking for a Firefox fork, a couple of options come to mind: - Floorp (https://floorp.app https://floorp.app) - Zen (https://zen-browser.app https://zen-browser.app) - Mullvad Browser (https://mullvad.net/browser https://mullvad.net/browser) - LibreWolf (https://librewolf.net https://librewolf.net) - WaterFox (https://www.waterfox.net https://www.waterfox.net) Besides that, there's also Brave and perhaps Chromium.

Bancakes 2y ago
Specifically, ungoogled chromium
- horsawlarway 2y ago
  Definitely this over default chromium.
  - Eddy_Viscosity2 2y ago
    Do any run ublock?
    - einpoklum 2y ago
      I'm using UnGoogled Chromium right now, and it seems not to be willing to install uBlock Origin. You can use uBlock Origin Lite. Ironically, The author of uBlock originally recommended switching to Firefox; I wonder if he'll want to change that recommendation now...
      - Semaphor 2y ago
        > I wonder if he'll want to change that recommendation now... The recommendation is because Firefox is the only browser running full uBo (and even before uBo on FF had slightly more features than Chrome). Nothing changed there.
        2y ago

ekianjo 2y ago

Here are alternatives listed here, all FOSS: https://boilingsteam.com/poll-trust-in-firefox-mozilla-is-gone/ https://boilingsteam.com/poll-trust-in-firefox-mozilla-is-go...

HackerThemAll 2y ago

Nowhere. The whole panic is just attention. Nothing's gonna change wrt to your data at Mozilla, especially that you can disable *everything* straight from settings and/or about:config.

cwillu 2y ago
They stopped letting you access about:config on mobile on the normal releases a long time ago.
- moho 2y ago
  You can access about:config on mobile FF (all versions, including release channel) at this very intuitive URL: chrome://geckoview/content/config.xhtml
seqizz 2y ago
Until one of the next minor updates

mglvsky 2y ago

I was going to suggest Ladybird, but it isn't released yet :)

lawn 2y ago

It looks like I'll be stuck with Firefox until a Servo browser or Ladybird matures... Which unfortunately isn't anytime soon.

Xelbair 2y ago

Probably Librewolf, or other firefox clone sadly. I got burned by waterfox in the past, so i'm still reluctant.

tofof 2y ago
Can you explain what burned you? I imagine many of us are trying to sift through the raft of alternatives, and waterfox is a frequent mention, so data about pros and cons is valuable.
- kristjank 2y ago
  For what it's worth, Waterfox has issues with the mozilla addon store at the moment. I was planning on Firefox Sync'ing everything over to my waterfox install, then deleting my account, but it's unable to install and reconfigure my shitload of plugins I'm using.
  - excalq 2y ago
    I've noticed that it's trivial to install addons directly from their xpi packages on GitHub release pages.
- Xelbair 2y ago
  if i remember right, it was ages ago, they were bought out by 'advertiser friendly' company. I'm as advertiser hostile as i can be as i find that whole industry to be a cancer upon this earth.
EasyMark 2y ago
i've been using floorp for about a year with no issues other than the rare "chrome only" pages, for those I just use vivaldi. Floorp with sideberry and ublock is a pretty nice setup.

agilob 2y ago

Do not need to move anywhere. This is literally a non-issue started for fun by tiktok idiots who didn't read the ToS. Nothing in Mozillas behaviour is changing, they had to reword the ToS for legal reasons. https://old.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/1j0n4un/firefox_and_tos/ https://old.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/1j0n4un/firefox_...

BoiledCabbage 2y ago
The reddit post you link does not support your argument. Your should read past the initial post to the comments where what your say is refuted.
yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
> Nothing in Mozillas behaviour is changing, they had to reword the ToS for legal reasons. The legal reasons appear to be that they are and/or have been and/or will sell user data: > In order to make Firefox commercially viable, there are a number of places where we collect and share some data with our partners, including our optional ads on New Tab and providing sponsored suggestions in the search bar. - https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/firefox/update-on-terms-of-use/ https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/firefox/update-on-terms...

nosioptar 2y ago

Lynx is the only clear choice. It doesn't sell your data. It doesn't advertise other services like Pocket. It doesn't need an ad blocker. Its immune to JavaScript exploits.