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I may be wrong, but the US detention/prison system seems to be there to punish people. This is bad in and of itself, but excruciatingly awful when the people i

I may be wrong, but the US detention/prison system seems to be there to punish people. This is bad in and of itself, but excruciatingly awful when the people involved are innocent. Other countries of course are worse - I hear very bad things about Japan, and in places like Syria and Russia prison is there for torture and death. There was another recent story, about an inmate in a NYC jail being killed in what looks to be a routine beating by guards.

croes 2y ago
If you get compared to Russia and Syria there certainly something wrong with you.
- casenmgreen 2y ago
  I was thinking exactly that as I was writing.
- nabla9 2y ago
  There is difference between legal evil and neutral evil. See my other comment for the evils. Compared to Russia there is little corruption and lawfulness. The justice system reflects the conservative retaliation values most Americans have when it comes to justice system. People just want justice system to cause suffering. Nothing is more American comedy than men being raped in prison.
  - orwin 2y ago
    > Nothing is more American comedy than men being raped in prison. Is this really true? Because it is my instinctual belief for staying on internet too much, but when i think about who i've met there, i don't think it's true (well, most of them were hippies and back-to-lander, the few who had a job worked in natural parks or as musicians, so maybe i did not meet the average USian)
    - lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 2y ago
      Perhaps not as hyperbolic as they write but it’s definitely there. It might aid understanding to do an internet search for the phrase “don’t drop the soap”. I suspect what OP means is that people outside America don’t make similar jokes, not that it’s quintessential American comedy. It’s just (mostly?) uniquely American comedy.
nabla9 2y ago
It's combined with failed justice system. Legal aid for migrant children has now ended, leaving many to navigate courts alone https://apnews.com/article/trump-legal-aid-unaccompanied-children-immigration-court-5b5573cc022ebfdf8dc6b961bfcc0768 https://apnews.com/article/trump-legal-aid-unaccompanied-chi... US Judges, liberal and conservative, just continue sit there day after day and don't find that "right to fair trial" is not violated. More generally US plea bargaining system is just cruel. See US Bar Association Plea Bargain Task Force Report: https://www.americanbar.org/content/dam/aba/publications/criminaljustice/plea-bargain-tf-report.pdf https://www.americanbar.org/content/dam/aba/publications/cri... Prosecutors are effectively coercing people to take prison sentences.
aswanson 2y ago
The US prison system is definitely designed to be punitive, not to release reformed individuals back into society.
- SauciestGNU 2y ago
  This isn't even supposed to be the prison system though, the individual had committed no crime the US had only "suspicion" that they might violate visa terms by performing tattoo artistry.
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croes 2y ago

If you get compared to Russia and Syria there certainly something wrong with you.

casenmgreen 2y ago
I was thinking exactly that as I was writing.
nabla9 2y ago
There is difference between legal evil and neutral evil. See my other comment for the evils. Compared to Russia there is little corruption and lawfulness. The justice system reflects the conservative retaliation values most Americans have when it comes to justice system. People just want justice system to cause suffering. Nothing is more American comedy than men being raped in prison.
- orwin 2y ago
  > Nothing is more American comedy than men being raped in prison. Is this really true? Because it is my instinctual belief for staying on internet too much, but when i think about who i've met there, i don't think it's true (well, most of them were hippies and back-to-lander, the few who had a job worked in natural parks or as musicians, so maybe i did not meet the average USian)
  - lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 2y ago
    Perhaps not as hyperbolic as they write but it’s definitely there. It might aid understanding to do an internet search for the phrase “don’t drop the soap”. I suspect what OP means is that people outside America don’t make similar jokes, not that it’s quintessential American comedy. It’s just (mostly?) uniquely American comedy.

nabla9 2y ago

It's combined with failed justice system. Legal aid for migrant children has now ended, leaving many to navigate courts alone https://apnews.com/article/trump-legal-aid-unaccompanied-children-immigration-court-5b5573cc022ebfdf8dc6b961bfcc0768 https://apnews.com/article/trump-legal-aid-unaccompanied-chi... US Judges, liberal and conservative, just continue sit there day after day and don't find that "right to fair trial" is not violated. More generally US plea bargaining system is just cruel. See US Bar Association Plea Bargain Task Force Report: https://www.americanbar.org/content/dam/aba/publications/criminaljustice/plea-bargain-tf-report.pdf https://www.americanbar.org/content/dam/aba/publications/cri... Prosecutors are effectively coercing people to take prison sentences.

aswanson 2y ago

The US prison system is definitely designed to be punitive, not to release reformed individuals back into society.

SauciestGNU 2y ago
This isn't even supposed to be the prison system though, the individual had committed no crime the US had only "suspicion" that they might violate visa terms by performing tattoo artistry.

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