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That's already planned. The republicans want to pass another 4.5 trillion of tax cuts for the richest 0.1% They simply lie to their supporters, and are believe

That's already planned. The republicans want to pass another 4.5 trillion of tax cuts for the richest 0.1% They simply lie to their supporters, and are believed because republicans are indoctrinated throughout life to believe that "government bad, corporations good, taxes bad, money good, collective power bad, individual power good" trump said before the election he didn't know what project 2025 was. He lied, pure and simple.

rozal 2y ago
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cupcakecommons 2y ago
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- ethbr1 2y ago
  > when it obviously can't allocate what it already has No large government in the history of the world has ever perfectly spent its money. We can at best aspire to good government spending, not perfect. Therefore the current dog and pony show of 'look at these excesses and get mad' is just a distraction to functional cuts that would be less popular. Elon Musk, Russell Vought, and Donald Trump are lying. They know exactly what they're trying to do: impair the operation of the US government. Any claims about fiscal justification are ridiculous from a financial standpoint -- if they cared about US debt, they'd be making these spending cuts, and not passing tax cuts.
  - cupcakecommons 2y ago
    We aren't even in the same dimension as perfection here. It's a historically obvious phenomenon. Basically all human organizations tend toward inefficiency and waste eventually. The US government is the largest employer in the world. The reasoning would be no different if it was a corporation.
    - consp 2y ago
      > The reasoning would be no different if it was a corporation. The difference being the overflow after wastes gets spend on society instead of shareholders.
      - cupcakecommons 2y ago
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    - ethbr1 2y ago
      The next step after identifying some waste isn't to cut well-performing functional parts of the government.
      - cupcakecommons 2y ago
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    - squigz 2y ago
      > It's a historically obvious phenomenon. Basically all human organizations tend toward inefficiency and waste eventually It's not that obvious to me, and is such a broad assertion that I'd require more than an "Everyone knows it. Just look at history" explanation to accept it as fact. It also implies 2 things that I would disagree with 1) That the inefficiency and waste increases over time. It's likelier to me the ratio of those things stays the same, but it's more apparent as it scales - a company "wasting" 2% of its budget is vastly different than the US government "wasting" 2% of its budget. 2) That it's inherent to "human organizations" themselves - this doesn't seem to explore any other possible explanations. Given the nature of the discussion, I would think it's worth discussing whether other factors (like capitalism) might have an effect (We'll ignore the vagueness of terms like "inefficiency" and "waste" with regards to government spending; not everyone agrees on what things are efficient or not. There are also many ways of measuring efficiency for both long- and short-term outlooks.)
      - jfengel 2y ago
- shakna 2y ago
  Why did they kill 18F, then? A department that was net-zero in costs.
- throwaway894345 2y ago
  > Why do you want to pay a government more money when it obviously can't allocate what it already has? I don't think they're reflexive responses by stupid republicans, I think billionaires don't like paying taxes (to pay back into the society that made them fantastically rich in the first place) so they purchase Republican politicians to both obstruct government and vote for tax cuts. They obstruct the government to make it inefficient and then they use the resulting inefficiency as evidence that the government needs to be "starved". And that's just politics-as-usual stuff before the literal cabal of billionaires in the Trump admin began working expressly to create an oligarchy.
- avidphantasm 2y ago
  For the millionth time, we don’t pay the government. The US federal government is not funded by taxes. The US government spends money into existence. It taxes money out of existence to help control the supply of money, inflation, etc. Stop using the deficit as a smokescreen for redistribution of wealth away from the 99% to the 1%.
twoodfin 2y ago
The TCJA made $4.5T in cuts for the richest 0.1%? Can you explain more about that? Is that by income, wealth?
elif 2y ago
It's deeper than lying about P25. P25 was allegedly an intentionally public document, designed to grab the media spotlight. It is actually plausible that trump had never seen a single page of that document by design. There is a secret runbook that goes much further than P25 which the same authors ensured was never printed or emailed anywhere which could be susceptible to FOIA. That is the runbook they have been using since day 1, which likely contained all 74 of his day 1 orders pre-written.
- greenie_beans 2y ago
  somebody needs to FOIA donald trump jr's etc chatgpt account
- ForTheKidz 2y ago
  Trump is too reactionary to have an N-step plan. The man thrives in chaos and uncertainty. Furthermore project 25 is large enough I'd be a lot more surprised if whatever happens wasn't on that wishlist somewhere.
amelius 2y ago
Trump lied about a lot of things. The concept of "electoral fraud" is enshrined in law, so I guess more lawsuits are coming.

rozal 2y ago

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cupcakecommons 2y ago

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ethbr1 2y ago
> when it obviously can't allocate what it already has No large government in the history of the world has ever perfectly spent its money. We can at best aspire to good government spending, not perfect. Therefore the current dog and pony show of 'look at these excesses and get mad' is just a distraction to functional cuts that would be less popular. Elon Musk, Russell Vought, and Donald Trump are lying. They know exactly what they're trying to do: impair the operation of the US government. Any claims about fiscal justification are ridiculous from a financial standpoint -- if they cared about US debt, they'd be making these spending cuts, and not passing tax cuts.
- cupcakecommons 2y ago
  We aren't even in the same dimension as perfection here. It's a historically obvious phenomenon. Basically all human organizations tend toward inefficiency and waste eventually. The US government is the largest employer in the world. The reasoning would be no different if it was a corporation.
  - consp 2y ago
    > The reasoning would be no different if it was a corporation. The difference being the overflow after wastes gets spend on society instead of shareholders.
    - cupcakecommons 2y ago
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  - ethbr1 2y ago
    The next step after identifying some waste isn't to cut well-performing functional parts of the government.
    - cupcakecommons 2y ago
      [flagged]
  - squigz 2y ago
    > It's a historically obvious phenomenon. Basically all human organizations tend toward inefficiency and waste eventually It's not that obvious to me, and is such a broad assertion that I'd require more than an "Everyone knows it. Just look at history" explanation to accept it as fact. It also implies 2 things that I would disagree with 1) That the inefficiency and waste increases over time. It's likelier to me the ratio of those things stays the same, but it's more apparent as it scales - a company "wasting" 2% of its budget is vastly different than the US government "wasting" 2% of its budget. 2) That it's inherent to "human organizations" themselves - this doesn't seem to explore any other possible explanations. Given the nature of the discussion, I would think it's worth discussing whether other factors (like capitalism) might have an effect (We'll ignore the vagueness of terms like "inefficiency" and "waste" with regards to government spending; not everyone agrees on what things are efficient or not. There are also many ways of measuring efficiency for both long- and short-term outlooks.)
    - jfengel 2y ago
shakna 2y ago
Why did they kill 18F, then? A department that was net-zero in costs.
throwaway894345 2y ago
> Why do you want to pay a government more money when it obviously can't allocate what it already has? I don't think they're reflexive responses by stupid republicans, I think billionaires don't like paying taxes (to pay back into the society that made them fantastically rich in the first place) so they purchase Republican politicians to both obstruct government and vote for tax cuts. They obstruct the government to make it inefficient and then they use the resulting inefficiency as evidence that the government needs to be "starved". And that's just politics-as-usual stuff before the literal cabal of billionaires in the Trump admin began working expressly to create an oligarchy.
avidphantasm 2y ago
For the millionth time, we don’t pay the government. The US federal government is not funded by taxes. The US government spends money into existence. It taxes money out of existence to help control the supply of money, inflation, etc. Stop using the deficit as a smokescreen for redistribution of wealth away from the 99% to the 1%.

twoodfin 2y ago

The TCJA made $4.5T in cuts for the richest 0.1%? Can you explain more about that? Is that by income, wealth?

elif 2y ago

It's deeper than lying about P25. P25 was allegedly an intentionally public document, designed to grab the media spotlight. It is actually plausible that trump had never seen a single page of that document by design. There is a secret runbook that goes much further than P25 which the same authors ensured was never printed or emailed anywhere which could be susceptible to FOIA. That is the runbook they have been using since day 1, which likely contained all 74 of his day 1 orders pre-written.

greenie_beans 2y ago
somebody needs to FOIA donald trump jr's etc chatgpt account
ForTheKidz 2y ago
Trump is too reactionary to have an N-step plan. The man thrives in chaos and uncertainty. Furthermore project 25 is large enough I'd be a lot more surprised if whatever happens wasn't on that wishlist somewhere.

amelius 2y ago

Trump lied about a lot of things. The concept of "electoral fraud" is enshrined in law, so I guess more lawsuits are coming.