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More people voted against Trump than voted for. • 77,302,580 voted for this administration (49.8%) • 77,935,722 voted against this administration (50.2%) Fro

More people voted against Trump than voted for. • 77,302,580 voted for this administration (49.8%) • 77,935,722 voted against this administration (50.2%) From https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43191410 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43191410

wyager 2y ago
Out of curiosity, how many weeks/months of late vote counting did that take? At the time the election was called, and for at least a couple weeks after iirc, he was ahead.
- sitkack 2y ago
  The anti-administration votes are split across many candidates, this isn't a tally of Trump vs Kamala.
- jghn 2y ago
  Out of curiosity, why does this matter?
- khuey 2y ago
  Why does it matter how long it took to count all the votes? If you want to allege election fraud, don't beat around the bush.
- arp242 2y ago
  No, what the previous poster said is that more people voted for other candidates than for Trump, and that's always been pretty clear. 49.8% of the votes went to Trump. That means 50.2% went to other candidates (Harris, Jill Stein, Chase Oliver, etc.)
arp242 2y ago
IMHO it's kind of meaningless to count the popular vote as it's not a popular election, which influences the results. Why vote in Texas or California? You already know who will win. Will that balance each other out? Unclear. That said, I do agree with the broader point that a narrow victory shouldn't give full control of the complete (federal) government, especially considering how they're going about things. But fixing that requires serious changes to the democratic system and good luck with that.
- hayst4ck 2y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandate_(politics) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandate_(politics)
  - arp242 2y ago
    I'm not responding to a lazy condescending Wikipedia link dump where I have to guess what you could perhaps mean with it. If you have something to say, then say it. Otherwise don't post.
- defrost 2y ago
  > But fixing that requires serious changes to the d̶e̶m̶o̶c̶r̶a̶t̶i̶c̶ s̶y̶s̶t̶e̶m̶ the United States of America's electoral system. The Heath Robinson contraption in the US is hardly synonomous with Democracy, at best it's the oldest, creakiest example of a modern democracy.
- boroboro4 2y ago
  > Why vote in Texas or California For example because it’s not only president on the ballot. While I don’t think these results are perfectly representative of the support/opposition (for the reasons you describe) they are still representative.
scarab92 2y ago
You're being a little deceptive here, by summing votes for all candidates combined as "against". What really matters is Trump v Harris, and Trump won that both in the electoral college and in the popular vote.
- jghn 2y ago
  The point is that the media immediate glommed on to a "popular mandate" with Trump. Yet, it was very much not true. He arguably won a popular vote. That's barely a pop;lar vote mandate.
  - afpx 2y ago
    I couldn’t get half of my liberal friends to even vote. And, it wasn’t because they didn’t like Kamala - I sensed that they were just tired of globalism.
    - bigyabai 2y ago
      > I sensed that they were just tired of globalism. With what, a compass? This is an absurd statement, I bet they weren't wearing clothes manufactured in America, or using a phone that was built domestically. The easiest way to fatigue a nation of nationalists is to let the world move on. The Axis forces might have been tired of globalism, but the globalists sure as hell weren't.
- sitkack 2y ago
  There is no deception, those numbers are what they say they are, if you click through the link you can see the source document. More people voted for a candidate other than Trump.

wyager 2y ago

Out of curiosity, how many weeks/months of late vote counting did that take? At the time the election was called, and for at least a couple weeks after iirc, he was ahead.

sitkack 2y ago
The anti-administration votes are split across many candidates, this isn't a tally of Trump vs Kamala.
jghn 2y ago
Out of curiosity, why does this matter?
khuey 2y ago
Why does it matter how long it took to count all the votes? If you want to allege election fraud, don't beat around the bush.
arp242 2y ago
No, what the previous poster said is that more people voted for other candidates than for Trump, and that's always been pretty clear. 49.8% of the votes went to Trump. That means 50.2% went to other candidates (Harris, Jill Stein, Chase Oliver, etc.)

arp242 2y ago

IMHO it's kind of meaningless to count the popular vote as it's not a popular election, which influences the results. Why vote in Texas or California? You already know who will win. Will that balance each other out? Unclear. That said, I do agree with the broader point that a narrow victory shouldn't give full control of the complete (federal) government, especially considering how they're going about things. But fixing that requires serious changes to the democratic system and good luck with that.

hayst4ck 2y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandate_(politics) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandate_(politics)
- arp242 2y ago
  I'm not responding to a lazy condescending Wikipedia link dump where I have to guess what you could perhaps mean with it. If you have something to say, then say it. Otherwise don't post.
defrost 2y ago
> But fixing that requires serious changes to the d̶e̶m̶o̶c̶r̶a̶t̶i̶c̶ s̶y̶s̶t̶e̶m̶ the United States of America's electoral system. The Heath Robinson contraption in the US is hardly synonomous with Democracy, at best it's the oldest, creakiest example of a modern democracy.
boroboro4 2y ago
> Why vote in Texas or California For example because it’s not only president on the ballot. While I don’t think these results are perfectly representative of the support/opposition (for the reasons you describe) they are still representative.

scarab92 2y ago

You're being a little deceptive here, by summing votes for all candidates combined as "against". What really matters is Trump v Harris, and Trump won that both in the electoral college and in the popular vote.

jghn 2y ago
The point is that the media immediate glommed on to a "popular mandate" with Trump. Yet, it was very much not true. He arguably won a popular vote. That's barely a pop;lar vote mandate.
- afpx 2y ago
  I couldn’t get half of my liberal friends to even vote. And, it wasn’t because they didn’t like Kamala - I sensed that they were just tired of globalism.
  - bigyabai 2y ago
    > I sensed that they were just tired of globalism. With what, a compass? This is an absurd statement, I bet they weren't wearing clothes manufactured in America, or using a phone that was built domestically. The easiest way to fatigue a nation of nationalists is to let the world move on. The Axis forces might have been tired of globalism, but the globalists sure as hell weren't.
sitkack 2y ago
There is no deception, those numbers are what they say they are, if you click through the link you can see the source document. More people voted for a candidate other than Trump.