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No, this is just about keeping people from defecting and taking secrets / cash with them. Many Chinese people working for state controlled companies or similar
by tz18 2y ago
No, this is just about keeping people from defecting and taking secrets / cash with them. Many Chinese people working for state controlled companies or similar (schoolteachers were one ridiculous example I think) in super mundane jobs have their passports taken away or exit bans for "national security" reasons.
- russli1993 2y ago[flagged]
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- dang 2y agoPlease let's not make such assumptions about other users, and certainly not as ammunition in an argument.
- cscurmudgeon 2y ago[flagged]
- hungryhobo 2y agoI mean every country has their epstein. western media likes to pick the chinese ones cause they make a good china bad story. Hundreds of chinese like myself travel from and to china each year, I'm surprised it's hard for you to imagine regular chinese people can enjoy life in china.
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- hungryhobo 2y agohttps://www.statista.com/statistics/1068495/china-number-of-outbound-tourist-number/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1068495/china-number-of-...
- nevertoolate 2y agoI don't even get why I'm downvoted or why you linked this. The number is in the millions obviously so what is the point?
- dang 2y agoYou've been using HN primarily (even exclusively) for nationalistic battle. You've also been breaking the site guidelines in all sorts of other ways. Since we've asked you repeatedly not to do this and you've ignored those requests, I've banned the account. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. They're here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.
- Gathering6678 2y agoMaybe visit your nearest US consulate to see how many are trying to get into the States, despite all the ** things in recent years.
- dluan 2y agoYou will be surprised to learn then that it's fallen dramatically. Like in just the last 5 years the perception is completely different, especially among young people.
- cscurmudgeon 2y agoThe green card queues for employment based green cards for China born applicants tell another story https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/green-card-waiting-time-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/green-car...
- tokioyoyo 2y agoThere are 1.4B Chinese. Like obviously some will want to move away. The question is, per capita, what is the rate of locals fleeing away from each country.
- cscurmudgeon 2y agoEven per capita more Chinese are leaving the country for US than the other way round.
- hollerith 2y agoSure, but this is a statistic Beijing is not even trying to improve: at least during the last 10 years, Beijing sees Westerners as a threat and rarely offers them citizenship or permanent residency.
- onemoresoop 2y agoCompare past to present and you’ll see a large drop.
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- YZF 2y agoMeng Wanzhou was roaming in beautiful Vancouver BC while awaiting judgment on the extradition request. Meanwhile China was keeping random Canadian citizens it arrested in retaliation in some dungeon. Either way the US did not kidnap her. Since her case never went to trial we don't know if she is guilty or not. Anyways, this is what a rule of law looks like. It's possible the original request was politically motivated but there's still a independent judicial system at work. In China there's none of that. Sometimes the rule of law gets things wrong but that's still way ahead than the arbitrary "justice" of totalitarian countries.
- suraci 2y ago> we don't know if she is guilty or not > random Canadian citizens(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detention_of_Michael_Spavor_and_Michael_Kovrig https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detention_of_Michael_Spavor_an...) > Anyways, this is what a rule of law looks like I like the tongue geeze i don't know how to express it that how much i like this
- YZF 2y agoI'm not sure what point you're trying to make here. Yes. Everyone knows I'm referring to the two Michaels. The party that is rogue in this whole story is China. Even if the conduct of the US authorities here is/was suspect the retaliatory arrests is how the Mafia operates. I am not a fan of the way the US and Canada behaved here but at the end of the day for the most part Meng Wanzhou was not locked up, she had a luxury wait while the slow wheels of justice grind. It's almost certain there was some funny business from the Huawei side here as well since naturally they wouldn't care less about violating US sanctions. The law and the rule of law in free and democratic countries can be abused. But it's still way ahead of the other option.
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- Fricken 2y agoHere, read it on Wikipedia: 'https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Initiative https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Initiative
- dang 2y agoAttacking another user like this, no matter how badly they broke the site guidelines themselves, is absolutely not ok on Hacker News. Please don't do it again, and please stop posting flamewar comments to HN generally. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- dang 2y agoCan you please not post in the flamewar style to HN? Swipes like "Lol, keep dreaming man" are against the site guidelines, and getting into nationalistic spats is not what HN is for. When you post like this, you're just inviting even worse from others (unintentionally of course). That's how we end up with degraded responses like https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43226552 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43226552. Worse, you've been repeatedly posting nationalistic flamewar comments in recent weeks. This is bad. I understand the frustrations, but this is no way to make your case. There's an extra burden on commenters who are representing a minority view, especially when the topic is divisive. That's arguably unfair, but it doesn't make it ok to break the rules, and it's not in your interest to do that. I've written a lot about this over the years (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20minority%20view&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...), including this just yesterday: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43213858 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43213858.
- makeitdouble 2y agoThis would be the only answer, if it wasn't for the all ICE's history, official threats against non US individuals and how reliable the current US gov is. This year China's advice just sounds reasonable TBH.
- throwaway48476 2y agoThis was commonplace in the Soviet Union.
- tokioyoyo 2y agoOne note, if you’re working for a top AI company in China, your quality of life other than work hours is already good enough to not to want to leave. It’s not 1990s/2000s anymore. Urban life in China, excluding pandemic times, is better than urban life in the states. The same applies to other sectors as well. Top talent is genuinely valued in China.
- throwawayq3423 2y ago> Urban life in China, excluding pandemic times, is better than urban life in the states. What data do you have for this conclusion?
- mandmandam 2y agoTry YouTube. Just use your eyes.
- throwawayq3423 2y agoI did. When I went to China and left the major cities all I saw was rows of high rises next to train stations with nothing around them. Funny, that's never on YouTube.
- riehwvfbk 2y agoIf you leave major cities in California you see a lot of empty space that's mostly brown-grey dust, with occasional small towns where everyone is very poor and came from Mexico. Your point?
- throwawayq3423 2y agoYes and I see a lot of YouTube videos about all the poverty in California, I see exactly none about the extensive and overwhelming poverty of rural China (and when I mean rural I mean 20 min outside Shanghai). That's the point. And who trying to lie about eliminating poverty in China (or making the US look much worse), and why are people repeating that lie?
- powerapple 2y agoCan US arrest the head of Chinese startups who have bought banned NVidia chips from the black market? Is buying a crime?