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2016-2020 was the wakeup call. We got Biden instead. Dems won't be fixing this problem.

by coldpie 2y ago

sirolimus 2y ago
Who else then? Republicans?
- coldpie 2y ago
  Nope. There is no opposition. The US is a single party state now, like Russia and China.
- dekhn 2y ago
  It won't happen but I think a centrist party which took the best from Republican and Democrat platforms and completely avoided histrionics, focusing entirely on rational solutions to our ongoing problems, could be very attractive to a wide range of voters in the US.
  - krainboltgreene 2y ago
    Yes what we need is a new party formed from the diet versions of the people in the other parties. Of course this means they’ll be capitalists with imperialist goals so they’re not going to win on any topic that matters currently. Wait that’s just the democrats.
- latentcall 2y ago
  Hopefully the American working class.
ajross 2y ago
And this is why we "got Trump again". The inability on the left to reason with clear allies in it's own coalition was a big part of the voter turnout problem. Yes, there are jews, even zionist ones, in power within the democratic aparatus. There are capitalist democrats. Even billionaires. And every one of them wanted to work with you to prevent this from happening, but you took your toys and went home instead reasoning that it was more important to punish your allies than keep your actual enemies out of power. Because at the end of the day this is what you wanted. The ability to say "Dems won't be fixing this problem" is more important to you than fixing the problem.
- coldpie 2y ago
  I've voted D in every election of my life, including Biden and Harris. Don't put this on me. Dems had their chance. They propped up a barely functioning, senile old man to respond to Republicans' threats, and he failed to do anything to stop what was coming (eg put Trump and the other Jan 6 ringleaders in jail, expand the Supreme Court, DC and PR statehood, literally anything). Dems just aren't up to the task. > Because at the end of the day this is what you wanted. The ability to say "Dems won't be fixing this problem" is more important to you than fixing the problem. This is so far out of line, an appropriate reply would rightly get me removed from HN.
  - sirolimus 2y ago
    This is a very common human reaction. When things don't change quickly enough, a more radical approach ends up being taken even though it almost never is the right approach. It's the same reason why people don't like Java. It's Old, verbose and stable, but who wants that. That's why people like Javascript, but at the end of the day, Java is the best. Stable and boring and slow politics is the good politics. Not this shit that's happening right now.
    - coldpie 2y ago
      This has been the Dem strategy for my entire life, yes. You are seeing the outcome of this strategy now. I argue it is not yielding desirable results, and they should try something else.
      - ajross 2y ago
        > I argue it is not yielding desirable results, and they should try something else. You actually aren't arguing that. You're just saying the first bit. You need to detail "something else", otherwise you're just throwing bombs with no value to anything except your ego.
        coldpie 2y ago

2016-2020 was the wakeup call. We got Biden instead. Dems won't be fixing this problem.

sirolimus 2y ago

Who else then? Republicans?

coldpie 2y ago
Nope. There is no opposition. The US is a single party state now, like Russia and China.
dekhn 2y ago
It won't happen but I think a centrist party which took the best from Republican and Democrat platforms and completely avoided histrionics, focusing entirely on rational solutions to our ongoing problems, could be very attractive to a wide range of voters in the US.
- krainboltgreene 2y ago
  Yes what we need is a new party formed from the diet versions of the people in the other parties. Of course this means they’ll be capitalists with imperialist goals so they’re not going to win on any topic that matters currently. Wait that’s just the democrats.
latentcall 2y ago
Hopefully the American working class.

ajross 2y ago

And this is why we "got Trump again". The inability on the left to reason with clear allies in it's own coalition was a big part of the voter turnout problem. Yes, there are jews, even zionist ones, in power within the democratic aparatus. There are capitalist democrats. Even billionaires. And every one of them wanted to work with you to prevent this from happening, but you took your toys and went home instead reasoning that it was more important to punish your allies than keep your actual enemies out of power. Because at the end of the day this is what you wanted. The ability to say "Dems won't be fixing this problem" is more important to you than fixing the problem.

coldpie 2y ago
I've voted D in every election of my life, including Biden and Harris. Don't put this on me. Dems had their chance. They propped up a barely functioning, senile old man to respond to Republicans' threats, and he failed to do anything to stop what was coming (eg put Trump and the other Jan 6 ringleaders in jail, expand the Supreme Court, DC and PR statehood, literally anything). Dems just aren't up to the task. > Because at the end of the day this is what you wanted. The ability to say "Dems won't be fixing this problem" is more important to you than fixing the problem. This is so far out of line, an appropriate reply would rightly get me removed from HN.
- sirolimus 2y ago
  This is a very common human reaction. When things don't change quickly enough, a more radical approach ends up being taken even though it almost never is the right approach. It's the same reason why people don't like Java. It's Old, verbose and stable, but who wants that. That's why people like Javascript, but at the end of the day, Java is the best. Stable and boring and slow politics is the good politics. Not this shit that's happening right now.
  - coldpie 2y ago
    This has been the Dem strategy for my entire life, yes. You are seeing the outcome of this strategy now. I argue it is not yielding desirable results, and they should try something else.
    - ajross 2y ago
      > I argue it is not yielding desirable results, and they should try something else. You actually aren't arguing that. You're just saying the first bit. You need to detail "something else", otherwise you're just throwing bombs with no value to anything except your ego.
      - coldpie 2y ago