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The US is a disgrace. Democrats, please save the country

by sirolimus 2y ago

coldpie 2y ago
2016-2020 was the wakeup call. We got Biden instead. Dems won't be fixing this problem.
- sirolimus 2y ago
  Who else then? Republicans?
  - coldpie 2y ago
    Nope. There is no opposition. The US is a single party state now, like Russia and China.
  - dekhn 2y ago
    It won't happen but I think a centrist party which took the best from Republican and Democrat platforms and completely avoided histrionics, focusing entirely on rational solutions to our ongoing problems, could be very attractive to a wide range of voters in the US.
    - krainboltgreene 2y ago
      Yes what we need is a new party formed from the diet versions of the people in the other parties. Of course this means they’ll be capitalists with imperialist goals so they’re not going to win on any topic that matters currently. Wait that’s just the democrats.
  - latentcall 2y ago
    Hopefully the American working class.
- ajross 2y ago
  And this is why we "got Trump again". The inability on the left to reason with clear allies in it's own coalition was a big part of the voter turnout problem. Yes, there are jews, even zionist ones, in power within the democratic aparatus. There are capitalist democrats. Even billionaires. And every one of them wanted to work with you to prevent this from happening, but you took your toys and went home instead reasoning that it was more important to punish your allies than keep your actual enemies out of power. Because at the end of the day this is what you wanted. The ability to say "Dems won't be fixing this problem" is more important to you than fixing the problem.
  - coldpie 2y ago
    I've voted D in every election of my life, including Biden and Harris. Don't put this on me. Dems had their chance. They propped up a barely functioning, senile old man to respond to Republicans' threats, and he failed to do anything to stop what was coming (eg put Trump and the other Jan 6 ringleaders in jail, expand the Supreme Court, DC and PR statehood, literally anything). Dems just aren't up to the task. > Because at the end of the day this is what you wanted. The ability to say "Dems won't be fixing this problem" is more important to you than fixing the problem. This is so far out of line, an appropriate reply would rightly get me removed from HN.
    - sirolimus 2y ago
      This is a very common human reaction. When things don't change quickly enough, a more radical approach ends up being taken even though it almost never is the right approach. It's the same reason why people don't like Java. It's Old, verbose and stable, but who wants that. That's why people like Javascript, but at the end of the day, Java is the best. Stable and boring and slow politics is the good politics. Not this shit that's happening right now.
      - coldpie 2y ago
        This has been the Dem strategy for my entire life, yes. You are seeing the outcome of this strategy now. I argue it is not yielding desirable results, and they should try something else.
aqueueaqueue 2y ago
I am guessing that ship sailed for at least 2 years. Probably more as people voted for this with open eyes so the people probably approve. Unless the economy tanks this year.
- actionfromafar 2y ago
  How can it not tank? The US just alienated almost all of its (former) allies and started a trade war. Add the unemployed former federal staff, the huge breaks in the economy this will cause and you have the perfect storm. But not to worry, Palantir and Musk will save the day.
  - aqueueaqueue 2y ago
    I think there is a good chance. Not enough for me to buy SPX puts though!
jjtheblunt 2y ago
Maybe terms "democrats" and "republicans" (and "maga") are all outdated and imprecise, and any innovation capable of improving the country would come from outside those adjectives. If you look at financial disclosures of both democrats and republicans, tracked at quiverquant.com, you too might be skeptical of trusting either historical party.
- sirolimus 2y ago
  The time will come for nuance. Right now democrats are the only established group of people in the US with good western values and that are of sufficient size that can turn this shit around.
  - invig 2y ago
    Name the values.
    - jjtheblunt 2y ago
      two days later, and crickets, of course.
  - account42 2y ago
    Values like racism and sexism that they have demonstrated during the previous four years? Democrats didn't lose the election due to anything Trump did. They alienated a large chunk of the voters all on their own.
sumedh 2y ago
> Democrats, please save the country Their original choice was Biden who had to step down because Democrat voters didnt want him so the Democrat leadership got a different candidate instead holding a primary.
- 1over137 2y ago
  Because the DNC would rather Trump than someone like Bernie.

The US is a disgrace. Democrats, please save the country

coldpie 2y ago

2016-2020 was the wakeup call. We got Biden instead. Dems won't be fixing this problem.

sirolimus 2y ago
Who else then? Republicans?
- coldpie 2y ago
  Nope. There is no opposition. The US is a single party state now, like Russia and China.
- dekhn 2y ago
  It won't happen but I think a centrist party which took the best from Republican and Democrat platforms and completely avoided histrionics, focusing entirely on rational solutions to our ongoing problems, could be very attractive to a wide range of voters in the US.
  - krainboltgreene 2y ago
    Yes what we need is a new party formed from the diet versions of the people in the other parties. Of course this means they’ll be capitalists with imperialist goals so they’re not going to win on any topic that matters currently. Wait that’s just the democrats.
- latentcall 2y ago
  Hopefully the American working class.
ajross 2y ago
And this is why we "got Trump again". The inability on the left to reason with clear allies in it's own coalition was a big part of the voter turnout problem. Yes, there are jews, even zionist ones, in power within the democratic aparatus. There are capitalist democrats. Even billionaires. And every one of them wanted to work with you to prevent this from happening, but you took your toys and went home instead reasoning that it was more important to punish your allies than keep your actual enemies out of power. Because at the end of the day this is what you wanted. The ability to say "Dems won't be fixing this problem" is more important to you than fixing the problem.
- coldpie 2y ago
  I've voted D in every election of my life, including Biden and Harris. Don't put this on me. Dems had their chance. They propped up a barely functioning, senile old man to respond to Republicans' threats, and he failed to do anything to stop what was coming (eg put Trump and the other Jan 6 ringleaders in jail, expand the Supreme Court, DC and PR statehood, literally anything). Dems just aren't up to the task. > Because at the end of the day this is what you wanted. The ability to say "Dems won't be fixing this problem" is more important to you than fixing the problem. This is so far out of line, an appropriate reply would rightly get me removed from HN.
  - sirolimus 2y ago
    This is a very common human reaction. When things don't change quickly enough, a more radical approach ends up being taken even though it almost never is the right approach. It's the same reason why people don't like Java. It's Old, verbose and stable, but who wants that. That's why people like Javascript, but at the end of the day, Java is the best. Stable and boring and slow politics is the good politics. Not this shit that's happening right now.
    - coldpie 2y ago
      This has been the Dem strategy for my entire life, yes. You are seeing the outcome of this strategy now. I argue it is not yielding desirable results, and they should try something else.

aqueueaqueue 2y ago

I am guessing that ship sailed for at least 2 years. Probably more as people voted for this with open eyes so the people probably approve. Unless the economy tanks this year.

actionfromafar 2y ago
How can it not tank? The US just alienated almost all of its (former) allies and started a trade war. Add the unemployed former federal staff, the huge breaks in the economy this will cause and you have the perfect storm. But not to worry, Palantir and Musk will save the day.
- aqueueaqueue 2y ago
  I think there is a good chance. Not enough for me to buy SPX puts though!

jjtheblunt 2y ago

Maybe terms "democrats" and "republicans" (and "maga") are all outdated and imprecise, and any innovation capable of improving the country would come from outside those adjectives. If you look at financial disclosures of both democrats and republicans, tracked at quiverquant.com, you too might be skeptical of trusting either historical party.

sirolimus 2y ago
The time will come for nuance. Right now democrats are the only established group of people in the US with good western values and that are of sufficient size that can turn this shit around.
- invig 2y ago
  Name the values.
  - jjtheblunt 2y ago
    two days later, and crickets, of course.
- account42 2y ago
  Values like racism and sexism that they have demonstrated during the previous four years? Democrats didn't lose the election due to anything Trump did. They alienated a large chunk of the voters all on their own.

sumedh 2y ago

> Democrats, please save the country Their original choice was Biden who had to step down because Democrat voters didnt want him so the Democrat leadership got a different candidate instead holding a primary.

1over137 2y ago
Because the DNC would rather Trump than someone like Bernie.