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Because you don't own the device, and the real device owner (Apple) is not working in your best interests. If you resent this kind of thing, put a penny in a ja
by dTal 2y ago
Because you don't own the device, and the real device owner (Apple) is not working in your best interests. If you resent this kind of thing, put a penny in a jar every time software that you've paid for makes your life worse; when the jar is full, find a copy of Linux and install it. Spend the jar on whatever you want - it's free :)
- bigyabai 2y agoYup, case closed. If enough people cared about this then they wouldn't buy iPhones anymore. The market is speaking, and Apple is listening with rapt attention.
- walterbell 2y agoApple devices will happily play non-DRM content.
- bobobobo2 2y agoAre we at the point where we see this nakedly bad-faith argument for what it really is yet?
- bigyabai 2y agoHas the DOJ mandated that I'm wrong yet? Because if not, then no, Apple has every imperative to do as they please because the iPhone is evidently not a monopoly. We had a loooooong time to bury this argument in the ground. I think the iPhone is a monopoly, but until the DOJ agrees it's all a bunch of hot air. Truly, their stance is that you should buy a different phone if you disagree. FOMO proprietors like Apple delight in that answer, Hacker News acts like it's pulling teeth.
- what 2y agoThe reality is nobody cares. I don’t think I’ve ever tried to take a screenshot of a movie and I’m sure most people haven’t either.
- dghlsakjg 2y agoYou can’t extrapolate your needs to everyone’s needs. I’ve never needed to use a wheelchair for mobility, most people haven’t. But that doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t consider the use case. What if you need to use a screen reader or magnifier for the text at the beginning of star wars. You would be pretty pissed if it was blocked by DRM. Hopefully pissed enough to sue under the ADA.
- what 2y agoThis is kind of a silly argument. You’re not going to stop your movie to take a screenshot so you can magnify the text or run some TTS on it. If you want movies to be “accessible”, you should argue for that. Being able to screenshot a movie doesn’t help make them accessible in the first place.
- dghlsakjg 2y agoI stop my movies all the time to read letters or text that passed by too quick to be see. I don’t know why someone vision disabled would not do that. They don’t have to be taking a screenshot, just using software that uses a screenshot api, like a screen magnifier or reader for example. The thing about accessibility is that you frequently don’t know or can’t anticipate how the built environment (including software) will be used by the disabled. Again, do not extrapolate your use case or experience to all users. Maybe I’m a college student that wants to take a screen grab for purposes covered under fair use. Maybe I’m a customer that needs to show a picture defect to customer support. Maybe there’s a use case that I haven’t thought of yet. The point is that disallowing screen shots prevents a lot of behaviors that are good for this world.
- kingo55 2y agoI would assume Linux wouldn't implement this but has this been verified somewhere? It's my understanding this limits the quality of content streamers permit to run on Linux: https://linuxcommunity.io/t/drm-the-final-barrier-to-linux-desktop-adoption/3760 https://linuxcommunity.io/t/drm-the-final-barrier-to-linux-d...
- 827a 2y agoI can confirm that screenshots are totally fine on Apple TV+ on Firefox + Pop OS. I don't know what the quality is, but it looks at least 1080p and as great as I would ever want to my eyes.
- 1123581321 2y agoIs it Wayland with capture enabled? That sounds like a fortuitous bug.
- Mindwipe 2y agoApple TV is limited to 720p on Linux.
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- gruez 2y agoYour suggestion for not being able to screenshot movies is to install linux, which doesn't support DRM (or does, but only at the lowest qualities)? Sounds like a pyrrhic victory to me.
- dTal 2y agoI would suggest that giving up control of your entire computer to get a few more pixels on some crappy (paid!) streaming service is the Pyrrhic victory. If everyone refused this Faustian bargain, then the services would be forced to adapt. In the meantime, your jar gets another penny every time you watch a movie. When it's full, find yourself a torrent client and spend the jar on whatever you want - they're free :)
- gruez 2y ago>I would suggest that giving up control of your entire computer to get a few more pixels on some crappy (paid!) streaming service is the Pyrrhic victory. This is going to inevitably turn into a mac/windows vs linux flamewar, so I'm going to acknowledge this but refuse to continue the discussion. >If everyone refused this Faustian bargain, then the services would be forced to adapt. Like getting people to use dedicated set-top boxes, like with cable TV? Amazon's fire stick is basically that. Moreover I think you're overestimating how much people care about "freedom to tinker" or whatever. They just want their shit to work. >When the jar fills up, find yourself a torrent client and spend the jar on whatever you want - it's free :) It's only "free" if you value your time at $0/hr.
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- rblatz 2y agoAlso I doubt the jar ever fills up, not many people in this thread seemed to be aware of this limitation until reading this post.
- realusername 2y ago> It's only "free" if you value your time at $0/hr. Checking the OS version, browser version, HDMI cable reference and screen reference to pray that the DRM works isn't really easy nor instantaneous either. I'd say it's even more annoying than torrenting
- hedora 2y agoI’ve had decent luck installing linux in a vm on a mac, then screen sharing the video the vm is playing. In fairness to apple, linux apparently runs fine on arm macbooks.
- mass_and_energy 2y agoIn fairness to Apple? Did they port it? I think you mean "in fairness to the maintainers"
- hedora 2y agoThey didn’t lock it down. It’s a bit unfair to say you don’t own your mac hardware. (vs. iPhone, iOS, or even Android, where even the things with unlocked bootloaders can’t run non-android-derived operating systems).
- bobobobo2 2y agoGood look convincing the employees of these companies, who seem to be a majority of the commenters on this post.
- ankurdhama 2y agoMore accurate statement would be that you don't own the content that streaming services provide. Apple (or for that matter any platform company) will have to implement DRM if they want their users to be able to watch such content. If you are against DRM then don't buy the subscriptions of such streaming services.