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I think a lot of Apple's success with the Apple Watch and Airtag is that they didn't make it a fair fight. Competing products are deliberately hobbled because t

I think a lot of Apple's success with the Apple Watch and Airtag is that they didn't make it a fair fight. Competing products are deliberately hobbled because they just can't do what Apple does because Apple doesn't allow it. That's not innovation. M-series are I think overhyped, they aren't bad and they certainly are better than the old Intel CPUs they were shipping. AMD has been nipping at their heels despite not always having the latest and greatest foundry nodes at their fingertips.

Jtsummers 2y ago
Android devices grossly out number iOS devices. If Samsung, Google, Sony, HTC, etc. wanted to make their own watch or tag system they could have. Even better, Garmin at least has figured out how to make their watches work with both iOS and Android so cross-compatibility is possible and greatly expands the potential market share. Apple's Apple Watch only works with iOS, restricting its total market share to approximately the same as the number of iOS devices in active use (approximate because you can activate the watch for other people in your family but without an appropriate iDevice).
- bitpush 2y ago
  How did a comment about Apple restricting competition become about Apples market share? That's not the point here. Apple didn't allow fair competition for alternate peripherals (watch etc) and it has got nothing to do with iPhones market share.
  - Jtsummers 2y ago
    Smart watches other than Apple's work with Apple's phones (I gave the example of Garmin). How is that restricting competition? And even if Apple is restricting competition (by somehow not allowing Garmin and others to work with their phones even though they do...), they're restricting themselves to about 30% of global market share for smart watches since their watches do not work with Android devices. So if they're restricting competition, then they're doing it in a way which limits their ability to capture the larger market with their watches since if anyone makes a decent competitor they can sell it to the billions of people who aren't using Apple's phones. The fact that no one has made a compelling alternative to capture that larger global market that Apple is ignoring seems like an issue with the competitors, not with Apple.
    - goosedragons 2y ago
      Sure, Garmin devices work with iOS but a bunch of features don't like notification replies. It's not that 3rd party smartwatches don't work, it's that they are deliberately knee-capped by Apple to make the Apple Watch seem better. And come on, in most developed countries iOS is like half the market easily.

Jtsummers 2y ago

Android devices grossly out number iOS devices. If Samsung, Google, Sony, HTC, etc. wanted to make their own watch or tag system they could have. Even better, Garmin at least has figured out how to make their watches work with both iOS and Android so cross-compatibility is possible and greatly expands the potential market share. Apple's Apple Watch only works with iOS, restricting its total market share to approximately the same as the number of iOS devices in active use (approximate because you can activate the watch for other people in your family but without an appropriate iDevice).

bitpush 2y ago
How did a comment about Apple restricting competition become about Apples market share? That's not the point here. Apple didn't allow fair competition for alternate peripherals (watch etc) and it has got nothing to do with iPhones market share.
- Jtsummers 2y ago
  Smart watches other than Apple's work with Apple's phones (I gave the example of Garmin). How is that restricting competition? And even if Apple is restricting competition (by somehow not allowing Garmin and others to work with their phones even though they do...), they're restricting themselves to about 30% of global market share for smart watches since their watches do not work with Android devices. So if they're restricting competition, then they're doing it in a way which limits their ability to capture the larger market with their watches since if anyone makes a decent competitor they can sell it to the billions of people who aren't using Apple's phones. The fact that no one has made a compelling alternative to capture that larger global market that Apple is ignoring seems like an issue with the competitors, not with Apple.
  - goosedragons 2y ago
    Sure, Garmin devices work with iOS but a bunch of features don't like notification replies. It's not that 3rd party smartwatches don't work, it's that they are deliberately knee-capped by Apple to make the Apple Watch seem better. And come on, in most developed countries iOS is like half the market easily.