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The real question is whether the fabs will ever come, or if they will be “too little too late”. As a former resident of Columbus, I’m skeptical of the Ohio gove

by tyleo 2y ago

The real question is whether the fabs will ever come, or if they will be “too little too late”. As a former resident of Columbus, I’m skeptical of the Ohio government and Intel’s ability to get a value-positive operation running here. So much of the Ohio population is hostile to the very acts like CHIPS which are funding this project and Ohio infrastructure generally. I have that on account of a couple civil engineers in Ohio who are friends and family.

huijzer 2y ago
Why are they hostile to the plans?
- freen 2y ago
  “Not invented here” syndrome. The “Liberals” did it. Kill Obamacare but don’t you dare touch my Affordable Care Act healthcare coverage. Etc etc etc.
- mikeyouse 2y ago
  Mostly because “China bad” and “Biden bad”.. same thing happening in Michigan. There were organized protests to stop Chinese and Taiwanese companies from building billion dollar battery facilities in poor rural areas. Just the dumbest timeline. https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/2023/04/hundreds-rally-at-michigan-horse-farm-to-oppose-gotion-battery-plant.html?outputType=amp https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/2023/04/hundreds-rally...
- ihsw 2y ago
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roland35 2y ago
We certainly have our share of dumdums here in Ohio but I think the actual leadership is fairly reasonable, and they do really like $$ and wouldn't do anything to jeopardize investment. Now, I am not sure how long we'll have "the old guard" type guys like dewine, so this comment might not age well!
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- mistersquid 2y ago
  > We certainly have our share of dumdums here in Ohio but I think the actual leadership is fairly reasonable, and they do really like $$ and wouldn't do anything to jeopardize investment. Mike DeWine is governor. On the Federal level, Ohio has Representative Jim Jordan and the current VP of the US, J.D. Vance. How do you measure that “the actual leadership [of Ohio] is fairly reasonable”?
  - ceejayoz 2y ago
    DeWine, to his credit, has been notably independent on a number of fronts, from COVID restrictions to anti-trans legislation.
  - roland35 2y ago
    Yeah it's a sad state of affairs in general I agree with you there. Overall I'd say our clowns in Ohio are probably about average if you judge against the national landscape.
- EasyMark 2y ago
  The republicans in Ohio will do what the republican in Washington are doing right now. Mark my words, whatever the King says goes, unless there is a national disaster or he has a complete dementia break down in public. Luckily, it's all built around his cult of personality and falls apart when he's no longer viable.
mikeyouse 2y ago
I don’t think it’s a coincidence that Intel announced the delay to the next presidential term.. The current administration is also hostile to the CHIPS act.. they’ve fired many of the administrators (the act is new enough that there were many probationary employers supporting it) and have told already-approved recipients that they are going to renegotiate the agreements. I’ve never seen such a self destructive administration..
- BoxFour 2y ago
  > I don’t think it’s a coincidence that Intel announced the delay to the next presidential election year.. The next presidential election is in 2028, not 2030
  - Aurornis 2y ago
    Election in 2028, next president takes office in 2029, realistically 2030 is the earliest the CHIPS act and staff could be rebuilt. The people overseeing the CHIPS act have mostly been fired or flagged for firing. Many of them were in their “probationary” period because they were recent hires. The CHIPS act can’t be instantly restarted when the next president takes office. It has to be rebuilt. It has basically been sabotaged.
    - jorvi 2y ago
      That's one of the most frustrating things about the wrecking ball far right administrations going through America and parts of Europe right now. They're causing damage that will take 5-10 years to fix, so even if we get more sane administrations, the public will complain "why aren't we seeing any improvements" because all they can accomplish at first is cleaning out the rubble. Worst of all, it could become cycle. Trump / DOGE is basically doing a wholesale cleanse of left-leaning public sector employees at all levels, replacing them with yes men and cronies. A new administration will have to revert that, meaning firing and hiring and training people yet again. And an administration after that might try do undo that. What a quagmire. In general it's a classic that left-leaning governments fix various policy and economic problems, which often carries big cost, which gets them voted out, and then the fruits of that labor are claimed by / wrongfully attributed to rightist administrations.

by tyleo 2y ago

huijzer 2y ago

Why are they hostile to the plans?

freen 2y ago
“Not invented here” syndrome. The “Liberals” did it. Kill Obamacare but don’t you dare touch my Affordable Care Act healthcare coverage. Etc etc etc.
mikeyouse 2y ago
Mostly because “China bad” and “Biden bad”.. same thing happening in Michigan. There were organized protests to stop Chinese and Taiwanese companies from building billion dollar battery facilities in poor rural areas. Just the dumbest timeline. https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/2023/04/hundreds-rally-at-michigan-horse-farm-to-oppose-gotion-battery-plant.html?outputType=amp https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/2023/04/hundreds-rally...
ihsw 2y ago
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roland35 2y ago

We certainly have our share of dumdums here in Ohio but I think the actual leadership is fairly reasonable, and they do really like $$ and wouldn't do anything to jeopardize investment. Now, I am not sure how long we'll have "the old guard" type guys like dewine, so this comment might not age well!

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mistersquid 2y ago
> We certainly have our share of dumdums here in Ohio but I think the actual leadership is fairly reasonable, and they do really like $$ and wouldn't do anything to jeopardize investment. Mike DeWine is governor. On the Federal level, Ohio has Representative Jim Jordan and the current VP of the US, J.D. Vance. How do you measure that “the actual leadership [of Ohio] is fairly reasonable”?
- ceejayoz 2y ago
  DeWine, to his credit, has been notably independent on a number of fronts, from COVID restrictions to anti-trans legislation.
- roland35 2y ago
  Yeah it's a sad state of affairs in general I agree with you there. Overall I'd say our clowns in Ohio are probably about average if you judge against the national landscape.
EasyMark 2y ago
The republicans in Ohio will do what the republican in Washington are doing right now. Mark my words, whatever the King says goes, unless there is a national disaster or he has a complete dementia break down in public. Luckily, it's all built around his cult of personality and falls apart when he's no longer viable.

mikeyouse 2y ago

I don’t think it’s a coincidence that Intel announced the delay to the next presidential term.. The current administration is also hostile to the CHIPS act.. they’ve fired many of the administrators (the act is new enough that there were many probationary employers supporting it) and have told already-approved recipients that they are going to renegotiate the agreements. I’ve never seen such a self destructive administration..

BoxFour 2y ago
> I don’t think it’s a coincidence that Intel announced the delay to the next presidential election year.. The next presidential election is in 2028, not 2030
- Aurornis 2y ago
  Election in 2028, next president takes office in 2029, realistically 2030 is the earliest the CHIPS act and staff could be rebuilt. The people overseeing the CHIPS act have mostly been fired or flagged for firing. Many of them were in their “probationary” period because they were recent hires. The CHIPS act can’t be instantly restarted when the next president takes office. It has to be rebuilt. It has basically been sabotaged.
  - jorvi 2y ago
    That's one of the most frustrating things about the wrecking ball far right administrations going through America and parts of Europe right now. They're causing damage that will take 5-10 years to fix, so even if we get more sane administrations, the public will complain "why aren't we seeing any improvements" because all they can accomplish at first is cleaning out the rubble. Worst of all, it could become cycle. Trump / DOGE is basically doing a wholesale cleanse of left-leaning public sector employees at all levels, replacing them with yes men and cronies. A new administration will have to revert that, meaning firing and hiring and training people yet again. And an administration after that might try do undo that. What a quagmire. In general it's a classic that left-leaning governments fix various policy and economic problems, which often carries big cost, which gets them voted out, and then the fruits of that labor are claimed by / wrongfully attributed to rightist administrations.