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No, they're shutting down activities intended to gather intelligence on people who are actively attacking them, and/or disrupt those attacks. If you want to th

No, they're shutting down activities intended to gather intelligence on people who are actively attacking them, and/or disrupt those attacks. If you want to think military, suppose somebody's been shelling my assets, so I return fire and try to knock out their guns. Is that defense or offense? I'm destroying their stuff, remember. Physically, there is no difference between their actions and mine. So should I just put up an earthen berm and forget about trying to disrupt the attack itself? There isn't some absolute line between defense and offense.

TZubiri 2y ago
"If you want to think military, suppose somebody's been shelling my assets, so I return fire and try to knock out their guns. Is that defense or offense" I get that this is a metaphor, and what I say might be obvious. But there's several actual wars in which Russia is actively involved in right now. It is both tactless and confusing to talk about weapons as a metaphor for cybersecurity. I know that we software devs like to think of cyber as a battlefield, we are attacked all the time, and yes there are real consequences. But cyber attacks are not powder attacks. And there is no necessity that whatever happens in the cyber field occurs in the same directions and magnitudes as it does on the actual battlefields. Would you be concerned if the state of russia considers mcdonalds not to be a threat to russia? Would you be concerned if they decided it was? Or would petty quarrels in the business domain have no bearing on the war domain?
TZubiri 2y ago
"There isn't some absolute line between defense and offense." Not an expert on this, but I'm pretty sure there is and there's geneva conventions and stuff, not comfortable at all with the implication, borders on incitation to violence.
TZubiri 2y ago
>No, they're shutting down activities intended to gather intelligence o Also we don't know if they are, we know they said so. Which may be counterintelligence. If you were an enemy would you believe that? No If I'm playing poker and my opponent tells me he has aces, I ignore it, what my opponent/enemy says gives me no information. If my opponent says he has aces, and a friend tells him not to say that or whatever. I ignore that as well. He is not in the hand.

TZubiri 2y ago

"If you want to think military, suppose somebody's been shelling my assets, so I return fire and try to knock out their guns. Is that defense or offense" I get that this is a metaphor, and what I say might be obvious. But there's several actual wars in which Russia is actively involved in right now. It is both tactless and confusing to talk about weapons as a metaphor for cybersecurity. I know that we software devs like to think of cyber as a battlefield, we are attacked all the time, and yes there are real consequences. But cyber attacks are not powder attacks. And there is no necessity that whatever happens in the cyber field occurs in the same directions and magnitudes as it does on the actual battlefields. Would you be concerned if the state of russia considers mcdonalds not to be a threat to russia? Would you be concerned if they decided it was? Or would petty quarrels in the business domain have no bearing on the war domain?

TZubiri 2y ago

"There isn't some absolute line between defense and offense." Not an expert on this, but I'm pretty sure there is and there's geneva conventions and stuff, not comfortable at all with the implication, borders on incitation to violence.

TZubiri 2y ago

>No, they're shutting down activities intended to gather intelligence o Also we don't know if they are, we know they said so. Which may be counterintelligence. If you were an enemy would you believe that? No If I'm playing poker and my opponent tells me he has aces, I ignore it, what my opponent/enemy says gives me no information. If my opponent says he has aces, and a friend tells him not to say that or whatever. I ignore that as well. He is not in the hand.