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Forget the theatrics for a moment, and look at this map. These are the facts that will not soon be forgotten. https://old.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/1ixbbr9/

Forget the theatrics for a moment, and look at this map. These are the facts that will not soon be forgotten. https://old.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/1ixbbr9/countries_that_voted_against_the_un_resolution/ https://old.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/1ixbbr9/countries_t...

kombine 2y ago
US, Russia, Israel, North Korea - new axis of evil.
- consumer451 2y ago
  It has been reported that Israel was forced to vote this way by the USA. https://jewishinsider.com/2025/02/trump-administration-insisted-israel-vote-against-ukraine-at-u-n/ https://jewishinsider.com/2025/02/trump-administration-insis...
  - kombine 2y ago
    This is a petty excuse. We just witnessed how USA tried to force Zelensky (who is in a much worse position than Israel) to sign a deal, and he refused. Israel voting this way falls in line with who they are.
    - consumer451 2y ago
      Israel has voted the other way previously. For example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_ES-11/1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembl...
      - aunetx 2y ago
        So did the US then huh?
    - sgregnt 2y ago
      Who said this is smart?
  - 7373737373 2y ago
    If they could be forced, they are not sovereign.
  - fulafel 2y ago
    The article is describing just lobbying.
- soraminazuki 2y ago
  How ironic considering that the modern day use of the term "axis of evil" was coined by George W. Bush of all people to justify the Iraq war. And I thought Republicans couldn't get any worse back then.
  - steve_adams_86 2y ago
    Yes, as a teen I thought it was so absurd that the world wasn't deeply disturbed by the rhetoric and actions of the neo cons back then. Today, I would gladly take those idiots back.
    - soraminazuki 2y ago
      I think many were disturbed back then. Heck, Obama even campaigned on it. It's just that nothing was done to meaningfully rectify it. What concerns me even more today is that the narrative surrounding the Iraq war has shifted. Basic things like who started the war and for what purpose are lost in discussions. Even the liberal media sometimes seem to forget that it happened at all when talking about the military industrial complex. It's surreal, seeing all this 1984 BS playing out in the open.
  - fulafel 2y ago
    The speechwriter was apparently Michael Gerson: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Gerson#Lines_attributed_to_Gerson https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Gerson#Lines_attribute... https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2003/01/axis-of-evil-authorship-settled.html https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2003/01/axis-of-evil-aut...
pembrook 2y ago
It appears based on this thread HN has fully transitioned into becoming intellectually as interesting as the front page of Reddit, so why not skip the middle man and just link to it outright.
- torlok 2y ago
  "Intellectually interesting" of course meaning that we should calmly discuss everybody's interests and motivations, and look for deeper meaning, while Russians have been lobbing missiles at Ukrainian homes for the last 3 years. You must love the Lex Friedman Podcast.
- goatlover 2y ago
  It's clear as day now that the Trump admin is carrying out the Project 2025 and techno feudalist playbook of consolidating power in the executive branch by removing opposition and appointing loyalists. While at the same time shifting America's foreign policy to be in line with Putin and Xi's. Maybe none of that concerns you, but many of us don't want the us to descend into autocracy.
  - pembrook 2y ago
    What's more likely: The US becoming a Russo/Sino-inspired dictatorship? Or that most of the people in this thread a) spend a little too much time consuming partisan political narratives-as-entertainment, b) lack a capacity for non-emotional thinking, and c) unquestionably consume the current zeitgeist of their tribe? I'll place my bet on the latter. Let's revisit in 10 years and see who was right.

kombine 2y ago

US, Russia, Israel, North Korea - new axis of evil.

consumer451 2y ago
It has been reported that Israel was forced to vote this way by the USA. https://jewishinsider.com/2025/02/trump-administration-insisted-israel-vote-against-ukraine-at-u-n/ https://jewishinsider.com/2025/02/trump-administration-insis...
- kombine 2y ago
  This is a petty excuse. We just witnessed how USA tried to force Zelensky (who is in a much worse position than Israel) to sign a deal, and he refused. Israel voting this way falls in line with who they are.
  - consumer451 2y ago
    Israel has voted the other way previously. For example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_ES-11/1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembl...
    - aunetx 2y ago
      So did the US then huh?
  - sgregnt 2y ago
    Who said this is smart?
- 7373737373 2y ago
  If they could be forced, they are not sovereign.
- fulafel 2y ago
  The article is describing just lobbying.
soraminazuki 2y ago
How ironic considering that the modern day use of the term "axis of evil" was coined by George W. Bush of all people to justify the Iraq war. And I thought Republicans couldn't get any worse back then.
- steve_adams_86 2y ago
  Yes, as a teen I thought it was so absurd that the world wasn't deeply disturbed by the rhetoric and actions of the neo cons back then. Today, I would gladly take those idiots back.
  - soraminazuki 2y ago
    I think many were disturbed back then. Heck, Obama even campaigned on it. It's just that nothing was done to meaningfully rectify it. What concerns me even more today is that the narrative surrounding the Iraq war has shifted. Basic things like who started the war and for what purpose are lost in discussions. Even the liberal media sometimes seem to forget that it happened at all when talking about the military industrial complex. It's surreal, seeing all this 1984 BS playing out in the open.
- fulafel 2y ago
  The speechwriter was apparently Michael Gerson: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Gerson#Lines_attributed_to_Gerson https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Gerson#Lines_attribute... https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2003/01/axis-of-evil-authorship-settled.html https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2003/01/axis-of-evil-aut...

pembrook 2y ago

It appears based on this thread HN has fully transitioned into becoming intellectually as interesting as the front page of Reddit, so why not skip the middle man and just link to it outright.

torlok 2y ago
"Intellectually interesting" of course meaning that we should calmly discuss everybody's interests and motivations, and look for deeper meaning, while Russians have been lobbing missiles at Ukrainian homes for the last 3 years. You must love the Lex Friedman Podcast.
goatlover 2y ago
It's clear as day now that the Trump admin is carrying out the Project 2025 and techno feudalist playbook of consolidating power in the executive branch by removing opposition and appointing loyalists. While at the same time shifting America's foreign policy to be in line with Putin and Xi's. Maybe none of that concerns you, but many of us don't want the us to descend into autocracy.
- pembrook 2y ago
  What's more likely: The US becoming a Russo/Sino-inspired dictatorship? Or that most of the people in this thread a) spend a little too much time consuming partisan political narratives-as-entertainment, b) lack a capacity for non-emotional thinking, and c) unquestionably consume the current zeitgeist of their tribe? I'll place my bet on the latter. Let's revisit in 10 years and see who was right.