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> How would you categorize Russia's manpower problem As strained, but not as bad as Ukraine's. Russia's population is over 140 million. That's 100 million mor

> How would you categorize Russia's manpower problem As strained, but not as bad as Ukraine's. Russia's population is over 140 million. That's 100 million more than Ukraine's pre-war population. Russia's territory isn't meaningfully compromised, their cities aren't in ruin, their industry is mostly intact. They haven't sustained something like 15-25% population loss from people fleeing the way Ukraine has. North Koreans aren't in Russia because Russia is out of guys. Putin just wants to avoid wider scale conscription/mobilization if he can help it and will take other options first That's why earlier stages of this war involved ex-convict Wagnerite units, mercenaries from the third world, local militias raised from the "people's republics" in Donetsk and Luhansk, and conscription when necessary from poorer ethnic minority regions far away from Moscow and St. Petersburg.

Supermancho 2y ago
> North Koreans aren't in Russia because Russia is out of guys. Putin just wants to avoid wider scale conscription/mobilization if he can help it and will take other options first This is correct and shockingly obvious given the initial invasion used mercenaries. It's a straightforward exchange with an ally that benefits Russia the most and is great PR for NK, internally and locally.
- 4ndrewl 2y ago
  At this point in time would anyone bet against US troops going in and "peacekeeping" for Putin against Ukraine? It seems pretty clear that the US is aligned against the West now. Almost everything pouring out of his mouth today is replaying what is in Russian state media sadly.
  - refurb 2y ago
    Yes, I would bet highly against that. The US is not "aligned against the West". The US is simply breaking from the ideology it's had since WW2 that it's in the US' best interest to get involved in every international conflict in the world. You'd think that the left would be ecstatic about that considering how much it's criticized US involvement in other countries conflicts, but here we are - it's the left that is trashing the US for not wanting to get involved.
    - 4ndrewl 2y ago
      I mean that ideology is, practically speaking, what "the West" is. But certainly in the UK it was a party of "the left" that invaded Iraq with the US. It was a party of "the left" that invaded Afghanistan with the US. And it was a party of "the left" that is now bolstering the military after a decade of decline by a party of "the right". "The left" were fighting fascism across Europe in the last century, from the International Brigade in Spain to the Soviets against Hitler. The actual problem The West has now is that the guarantor of military power has gone. Trump and Vance were literally shouting propaganda from Russian state media to Zelensky (look up starting WW3, or VIP tours) and making false equivalency between being invaded and defending your country. Trump has carried out the biggest rug-pull in history and aligned the USA with Russia. Against The West.
      - refurb 2y ago
        > I mean that ideology is, practically speaking, what "the West" is. This makes no sense. The current ideology is only 70 years old. The "West" has existed for centuries before that. Maybe you're young and you think there are no options but the current path, but I can assure you there is. The truth is that the US (or Europe) is not willing to go head to head with Russia. They have neither the public support or the willingness to take the economic hit. So if they aren't willing to defeat Russia, what is the only possible outcome? A negotiated peace. So rather than grinding up another few hundred thousand human lives in the war and end up in the same place a few years from now, why not just finish it now?
        4ndrewl 2y ago
        Because appeasing aggressors never works? I mean, we literally took the appeasement route when he annexed Crimea. A few years later and here we are. Guess what happens when we appease him now? The term The West applies to those countries born out of European heritage which _assumed_ semi-direct lineage from the Graeco-Roman empires of Antiquity (notably the Late Antique split in the early church across Eastern/Western lines). Like all political terms it's in constant flux, but yes, today it largely means the superset of NATO + Five Eyes countries. Vance's Munich speech and the Whitehoust confrontation yesterday confirms that the USA has turned its back on the west - you only have to see the reaction of world leaders to see that - outside of Orban, the only people congratulating Trump were Putin and Lavrov. Who could singlehandedly stop the war - right now - by pulling their troops out of a sovereign, democratic state. Not sure what my age has to do with anything but I was bought up during the Cold War if that helps.
lostmsu 2y ago
> Putin just wants to avoid wider scale conscription/mobilization if he can help it and will take other options first That's because a good chunk of untapped population would simply refuse.

Supermancho 2y ago

> North Koreans aren't in Russia because Russia is out of guys. Putin just wants to avoid wider scale conscription/mobilization if he can help it and will take other options first This is correct and shockingly obvious given the initial invasion used mercenaries. It's a straightforward exchange with an ally that benefits Russia the most and is great PR for NK, internally and locally.

4ndrewl 2y ago
At this point in time would anyone bet against US troops going in and "peacekeeping" for Putin against Ukraine? It seems pretty clear that the US is aligned against the West now. Almost everything pouring out of his mouth today is replaying what is in Russian state media sadly.
- refurb 2y ago
  Yes, I would bet highly against that. The US is not "aligned against the West". The US is simply breaking from the ideology it's had since WW2 that it's in the US' best interest to get involved in every international conflict in the world. You'd think that the left would be ecstatic about that considering how much it's criticized US involvement in other countries conflicts, but here we are - it's the left that is trashing the US for not wanting to get involved.
  - 4ndrewl 2y ago
    I mean that ideology is, practically speaking, what "the West" is. But certainly in the UK it was a party of "the left" that invaded Iraq with the US. It was a party of "the left" that invaded Afghanistan with the US. And it was a party of "the left" that is now bolstering the military after a decade of decline by a party of "the right". "The left" were fighting fascism across Europe in the last century, from the International Brigade in Spain to the Soviets against Hitler. The actual problem The West has now is that the guarantor of military power has gone. Trump and Vance were literally shouting propaganda from Russian state media to Zelensky (look up starting WW3, or VIP tours) and making false equivalency between being invaded and defending your country. Trump has carried out the biggest rug-pull in history and aligned the USA with Russia. Against The West.
    - refurb 2y ago
      > I mean that ideology is, practically speaking, what "the West" is. This makes no sense. The current ideology is only 70 years old. The "West" has existed for centuries before that. Maybe you're young and you think there are no options but the current path, but I can assure you there is. The truth is that the US (or Europe) is not willing to go head to head with Russia. They have neither the public support or the willingness to take the economic hit. So if they aren't willing to defeat Russia, what is the only possible outcome? A negotiated peace. So rather than grinding up another few hundred thousand human lives in the war and end up in the same place a few years from now, why not just finish it now?
      - 4ndrewl 2y ago
        Because appeasing aggressors never works? I mean, we literally took the appeasement route when he annexed Crimea. A few years later and here we are. Guess what happens when we appease him now? The term The West applies to those countries born out of European heritage which _assumed_ semi-direct lineage from the Graeco-Roman empires of Antiquity (notably the Late Antique split in the early church across Eastern/Western lines). Like all political terms it's in constant flux, but yes, today it largely means the superset of NATO + Five Eyes countries. Vance's Munich speech and the Whitehoust confrontation yesterday confirms that the USA has turned its back on the west - you only have to see the reaction of world leaders to see that - outside of Orban, the only people congratulating Trump were Putin and Lavrov. Who could singlehandedly stop the war - right now - by pulling their troops out of a sovereign, democratic state. Not sure what my age has to do with anything but I was bought up during the Cold War if that helps.

lostmsu 2y ago

> Putin just wants to avoid wider scale conscription/mobilization if he can help it and will take other options first That's because a good chunk of untapped population would simply refuse.