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• 77,302,580 voted for this administration (49.8%) • 77,935,722 voted against this administration (50.2%) With an estimated population of 341M, there were app

• 77,302,580 voted for this administration (49.8%) • 77,935,722 voted against this administration (50.2%) With an estimated population of 341M, there were approximately 90M people who were eligible to vote (over 18, and not prevented from voting from a conviction) that did not vote. The American people DO NOT support Trump. He only won due to voter suppression and a massive amount of ad money. From https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43191410 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43191410

jisnsm 2y ago
Democrats vastly outspent republicans. https://www.axios.com/2024/10/31/democrats-republicans-ad-spending-election-day https://www.axios.com/2024/10/31/democrats-republicans-ad-sp...
kelnos 2y ago
I don't think we can look at it that simply. Of the voters who didn't vote for Trump or Harris, certainly some of them would have voted for Trump (or not voted at all) if their third-party candidate didn't exist. Put another way, if we had universal approval or ranked-choice voting, it's plausible that Trump would have ended up with a popular vote majority (but it could have gone either way, certainly). > there were approximately 90M people who were eligible to vote that did not vote.* Whenever an election is decided, I generally move all of those uncast votes over to the tally of whoever won. Staying home and not voting is the same thing as a soft-vote for whoever wins. > voter suppression I wish we could really quantify this. Not that it would change MAGA minds about anything, but it could be useful to know. > a massive amount of ad money Harris had a similarly massive amount of ad money, too, and it didn't help. Honestly, I think the failures of the Democratic party machine as a whole are just as responsible for Harris's loss as GOP underhandedness is.
- sitkack 2y ago
  You said I was looking at simply. I reported the election results. The majority of the voters did not vote for this administration. > Democratic party machine as a whole are just as responsible for Harris's loss as GOP underhandedness is. This we agree on. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-spent-290-million-233929521.html https://finance.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-spent-290-million-2... It isn't just the money, but whom it benefits. Someone almost no discretionary income, 100 or 300 is a ton of money. Musk won't even notice the 290M.
Acrobatic_Road 2y ago
Just because I didn't vote does not mean my vote was "suppressed".
- sitkack 2y ago
  It is a statistical measure, did I say your vote was suppressed?
  - sitkack 2y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_efforts_to_disrupt_the_2024_United_States_presidential_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_efforts_to_di...
    - Acrobatic_Road 2y ago
      This is just an article where Wikipedia editors cry about the election. There's not even any real allegations of voter suppression in here. If the Republican party is suppressing voters, they are doing a pretty poor job of it in light of record turnout, and probably to their detriment.
TinkersW 2y ago
I don't think that is why he won. Dems basically handed this election to Trump; Biden running when he had memory issues, then handing it to Harris whose numbers were questionable against Trump(with the braindead excuse that only she could get the funds), along with generally not responding to issues voters obviously care about(border), trying to ignore issues like excessive wokeness/DEI instead of admitting it is a problem. Trump is going to lie and obviously only cares about himself, some % of rubes will vote for that, but you don't have to make it so damn easy for him.
- khazhoux 2y ago
  Once Biden waited so long to fact reality and drop out, there was no time for a proper primary. The mistake was not really the handing of it to Harris, it was dropping out so late that there wasn’t really any better option.
  - acdha 2y ago
    Also he was basically AWOL for months beforehand while Trump was campaigning. Trump’s economic plan was absurd but he was out there talking about it without any real pushback, while Biden seemed to be hoping that people would recognize how the IRA had helped them on their own. Harris might not have been the best candidate but I’m not sure anyone other than Obama could’ve gotten a national coalition together in that short a time – it’s like putting off studying for months and trying to pull an all-nighter before the exam.

jisnsm 2y ago

Democrats vastly outspent republicans. https://www.axios.com/2024/10/31/democrats-republicans-ad-spending-election-day https://www.axios.com/2024/10/31/democrats-republicans-ad-sp...

kelnos 2y ago

I don't think we can look at it that simply. Of the voters who didn't vote for Trump or Harris, certainly some of them would have voted for Trump (or not voted at all) if their third-party candidate didn't exist. Put another way, if we had universal approval or ranked-choice voting, it's plausible that Trump would have ended up with a popular vote majority (but it could have gone either way, certainly). > there were approximately 90M people who were eligible to vote that did not vote.* Whenever an election is decided, I generally move all of those uncast votes over to the tally of whoever won. Staying home and not voting is the same thing as a soft-vote for whoever wins. > voter suppression I wish we could really quantify this. Not that it would change MAGA minds about anything, but it could be useful to know. > a massive amount of ad money Harris had a similarly massive amount of ad money, too, and it didn't help. Honestly, I think the failures of the Democratic party machine as a whole are just as responsible for Harris's loss as GOP underhandedness is.

sitkack 2y ago
You said I was looking at simply. I reported the election results. The majority of the voters did not vote for this administration. > Democratic party machine as a whole are just as responsible for Harris's loss as GOP underhandedness is. This we agree on. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-spent-290-million-233929521.html https://finance.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-spent-290-million-2... It isn't just the money, but whom it benefits. Someone almost no discretionary income, 100 or 300 is a ton of money. Musk won't even notice the 290M.

Acrobatic_Road 2y ago

Just because I didn't vote does not mean my vote was "suppressed".

sitkack 2y ago
It is a statistical measure, did I say your vote was suppressed?
- sitkack 2y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_efforts_to_disrupt_the_2024_United_States_presidential_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_efforts_to_di...
  - Acrobatic_Road 2y ago
    This is just an article where Wikipedia editors cry about the election. There's not even any real allegations of voter suppression in here. If the Republican party is suppressing voters, they are doing a pretty poor job of it in light of record turnout, and probably to their detriment.

TinkersW 2y ago

I don't think that is why he won. Dems basically handed this election to Trump; Biden running when he had memory issues, then handing it to Harris whose numbers were questionable against Trump(with the braindead excuse that only she could get the funds), along with generally not responding to issues voters obviously care about(border), trying to ignore issues like excessive wokeness/DEI instead of admitting it is a problem. Trump is going to lie and obviously only cares about himself, some % of rubes will vote for that, but you don't have to make it so damn easy for him.

khazhoux 2y ago
Once Biden waited so long to fact reality and drop out, there was no time for a proper primary. The mistake was not really the handing of it to Harris, it was dropping out so late that there wasn’t really any better option.
- acdha 2y ago
  Also he was basically AWOL for months beforehand while Trump was campaigning. Trump’s economic plan was absurd but he was out there talking about it without any real pushback, while Biden seemed to be hoping that people would recognize how the IRA had helped them on their own. Harris might not have been the best candidate but I’m not sure anyone other than Obama could’ve gotten a national coalition together in that short a time – it’s like putting off studying for months and trying to pull an all-nighter before the exam.