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It's what America wanted. I've decided to stop caring. It's all a joke now. We'll try again in 44 months.

by khazhoux 2y ago

kflgkans 2y ago
You're mistaken. This is no joke.
JohnFen 2y ago
It's not what America wanted. It's what the felon-in-chief wants, but he doesn't represent most Americans.
- jszymborski 2y ago
  That becomes harder to believe in light of the most recent electoral result where he won the popular vote. I do want to believe that he doesn't represent most Americans, however.
  - JohnFen 2y ago
    It seems clear that non-MAGA people who voted for Trump did so because they believed his BS promises to make the economy better and fast, and secondarily because of the immigration issue. Most of them didn't think Trump would actually do all of the horrible things he and others said he was going to do. And even then, he only barely won the election. It was the slimmest margin since the 1800s.
    - dboreham 2y ago
      Not at all clear. Are voters really that stupid? Seems more likely there are more evil people around us than we expected, and they knowingly voted for evil.
  - halostatue 2y ago
    He won 49% of the votes cast. He did not get a majority, but a plurality. The turnout was ~64%, so he got ~30% of the possible votes. His main opponent got about ~28% of the possible votes. He doesn't have the mandate he thinks he does, but he's a megalomaniac led by his nose ring by the psycopathic megalomaniacs behind Project 2025, which ~90% (more?) of Americans said that they didn't like when they saw it.
    - nuancebydefault 2y ago
      All speculation and the non voters said: I do not care
    - entropi 2y ago
      Sorry, but I don't think these percentages, turnouts, and other technicalities matter, at all. This is how the American people has chosen to represent themselves. The American people created the system, and the Americans knew their own system. The system produced this guy. Now, why does it matter which percentage did he get? He got enough, did not he? And obviously he does have the mandate, because he is able to do things his way.
- Izikiel43 2y ago
  It represents most Americans who voted.
  - JohnFen 2y ago
    I disagree entirely.
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  - tdeck 2y ago
    That's not even factually correct. He won less than 50% of the popular vote.
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    - hansoolo 2y ago
      But isn't the voting system wrong then?
- khazhoux 2y ago
  There is precisely one way in which the will of the American people is measured. When we talk about "what America wants", it doesn't include the opinion of people who didn't show up in November. People who choose not to vote throw away their right to be included in the "what America wants" bucket. This shouldn't be a controversial statement.
  - JohnFen 2y ago
    Trump barely won the popular vote, so even ignoring the rest of the citizenry, it's a real stretch to say that he represents "the will of the people" in any significant way. At best, he represents "the will of half of the people who voted" -- and even that's a stretch, because a lot of the people who voted for him opposed his stance on most things.
    - anigbrowl 2y ago
      I agree, but until you have large crowds doing a general strike, shutting major and minor cities, it's going to continue and observers abroad are going to conclude that the population is OK with it.
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- emilsedgh 2y ago
  Well, he won the popular vote.
- kelnos 2y ago
  And yet, polling so far shows that 90+% of Trump voters are still fine with what he's been doing to the executive branch, and I expect most of those people don't particularly care about Ukraine or understand the nuances of diplomacy or soft power.
- _DeadFred_ 2y ago
  Stop. This is our president. This is our face to the world. By democratic vote. We can't weasel out of this. This IS who we are as a nation right now. Don't 'this isn't us' on HN. Do something in real life to change things so that this stops being us. But today, this is us. You and me.
UltraSane 2y ago
I'm tempted to join a monastery.
- wilg 2y ago
  exactly the wrong instinct
  - UltraSane 2y ago
    Why? I can't do shit to stop Trump.
duxup 2y ago
I don't think the minority of Americans who voted for him really thought about this situation.
- zeroCalories 2y ago
  And the mother that didn't check on her baby in the bath didn't mean for them to drown. In real life there's consequences for being negligent and careless.
- kelnos 2y ago
  If you take US eligible voters who did not vote, and put them on Trump's side of the vote tally, then he gets more than 50% of all eligible voters. To me, staying home and not voting in an election is a silent vote for whoever the winner ends up being. These people soft-voted for Trump.
- mrguyorama 2y ago
  This was explicitly predicted by Democrats and loudly expressed. Enlightened centrists insisted we were being hyperbolic. Nobody has any right to claim surprise. If you couldn't see this coming, you are stupid, full stop.
throw0101d 2y ago
> It's what America wanted. Yeah… Egg shortages. Fatal measles outbreaks. Airplane crashes. Crypto scams. Tariffs. Betrayal of allies. Pardons and special favors for insurrectionists, crooked mayors, and online pimps. The American people voted for change! * https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/1895150416738033992 https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/1895150416738033992
sitkack 2y ago
• 77,302,580 voted for this administration (49.8%) • 77,935,722 voted against this administration (50.2%) With an estimated population of 341M, there were approximately 90M people who were eligible to vote (over 18, and not prevented from voting from a conviction) that did not vote. The American people DO NOT support Trump. He only won due to voter suppression and a massive amount of ad money. From https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43191410 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43191410
- jisnsm 2y ago
  Democrats vastly outspent republicans. https://www.axios.com/2024/10/31/democrats-republicans-ad-spending-election-day https://www.axios.com/2024/10/31/democrats-republicans-ad-sp...
- kelnos 2y ago
  I don't think we can look at it that simply. Of the voters who didn't vote for Trump or Harris, certainly some of them would have voted for Trump (or not voted at all) if their third-party candidate didn't exist. Put another way, if we had universal approval or ranked-choice voting, it's plausible that Trump would have ended up with a popular vote majority (but it could have gone either way, certainly). > there were approximately 90M people who were eligible to vote that did not vote.* Whenever an election is decided, I generally move all of those uncast votes over to the tally of whoever won. Staying home and not voting is the same thing as a soft-vote for whoever wins. > voter suppression I wish we could really quantify this. Not that it would change MAGA minds about anything, but it could be useful to know. > a massive amount of ad money Harris had a similarly massive amount of ad money, too, and it didn't help. Honestly, I think the failures of the Democratic party machine as a whole are just as responsible for Harris's loss as GOP underhandedness is.
  - sitkack 2y ago
    You said I was looking at simply. I reported the election results. The majority of the voters did not vote for this administration. > Democratic party machine as a whole are just as responsible for Harris's loss as GOP underhandedness is. This we agree on. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-spent-290-million-233929521.html https://finance.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-spent-290-million-2... It isn't just the money, but whom it benefits. Someone almost no discretionary income, 100 or 300 is a ton of money. Musk won't even notice the 290M.
sys_64738 2y ago
> I've decided to stop caring. This is a problem because if you stop caring about Ukraine falling, you will start to care when Poland, baltic countries, etc., get overrun next. Zelenskyy wasn't joking when he mentioned American shores.

It's what America wanted. I've decided to stop caring. It's all a joke now. We'll try again in 44 months.

kflgkans 2y ago

You're mistaken. This is no joke.

JohnFen 2y ago

It's not what America wanted. It's what the felon-in-chief wants, but he doesn't represent most Americans.

jszymborski 2y ago
That becomes harder to believe in light of the most recent electoral result where he won the popular vote. I do want to believe that he doesn't represent most Americans, however.
- JohnFen 2y ago
  It seems clear that non-MAGA people who voted for Trump did so because they believed his BS promises to make the economy better and fast, and secondarily because of the immigration issue. Most of them didn't think Trump would actually do all of the horrible things he and others said he was going to do. And even then, he only barely won the election. It was the slimmest margin since the 1800s.
  - dboreham 2y ago
    Not at all clear. Are voters really that stupid? Seems more likely there are more evil people around us than we expected, and they knowingly voted for evil.
- halostatue 2y ago
  He won 49% of the votes cast. He did not get a majority, but a plurality. The turnout was ~64%, so he got ~30% of the possible votes. His main opponent got about ~28% of the possible votes. He doesn't have the mandate he thinks he does, but he's a megalomaniac led by his nose ring by the psycopathic megalomaniacs behind Project 2025, which ~90% (more?) of Americans said that they didn't like when they saw it.
  - nuancebydefault 2y ago
    All speculation and the non voters said: I do not care
  - entropi 2y ago
    Sorry, but I don't think these percentages, turnouts, and other technicalities matter, at all. This is how the American people has chosen to represent themselves. The American people created the system, and the Americans knew their own system. The system produced this guy. Now, why does it matter which percentage did he get? He got enough, did not he? And obviously he does have the mandate, because he is able to do things his way.
Izikiel43 2y ago
It represents most Americans who voted.
- JohnFen 2y ago
  I disagree entirely.
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- tdeck 2y ago
  That's not even factually correct. He won less than 50% of the popular vote.
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  - hansoolo 2y ago
    But isn't the voting system wrong then?
khazhoux 2y ago
There is precisely one way in which the will of the American people is measured. When we talk about "what America wants", it doesn't include the opinion of people who didn't show up in November. People who choose not to vote throw away their right to be included in the "what America wants" bucket. This shouldn't be a controversial statement.
- JohnFen 2y ago
  Trump barely won the popular vote, so even ignoring the rest of the citizenry, it's a real stretch to say that he represents "the will of the people" in any significant way. At best, he represents "the will of half of the people who voted" -- and even that's a stretch, because a lot of the people who voted for him opposed his stance on most things.
  - anigbrowl 2y ago
    I agree, but until you have large crowds doing a general strike, shutting major and minor cities, it's going to continue and observers abroad are going to conclude that the population is OK with it.
- deleted 2y ago
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emilsedgh 2y ago
Well, he won the popular vote.
kelnos 2y ago
And yet, polling so far shows that 90+% of Trump voters are still fine with what he's been doing to the executive branch, and I expect most of those people don't particularly care about Ukraine or understand the nuances of diplomacy or soft power.
_DeadFred_ 2y ago
Stop. This is our president. This is our face to the world. By democratic vote. We can't weasel out of this. This IS who we are as a nation right now. Don't 'this isn't us' on HN. Do something in real life to change things so that this stops being us. But today, this is us. You and me.

UltraSane 2y ago

I'm tempted to join a monastery.

wilg 2y ago
exactly the wrong instinct
- UltraSane 2y ago
  Why? I can't do shit to stop Trump.

duxup 2y ago

I don't think the minority of Americans who voted for him really thought about this situation.

zeroCalories 2y ago
And the mother that didn't check on her baby in the bath didn't mean for them to drown. In real life there's consequences for being negligent and careless.
kelnos 2y ago
If you take US eligible voters who did not vote, and put them on Trump's side of the vote tally, then he gets more than 50% of all eligible voters. To me, staying home and not voting in an election is a silent vote for whoever the winner ends up being. These people soft-voted for Trump.
mrguyorama 2y ago
This was explicitly predicted by Democrats and loudly expressed. Enlightened centrists insisted we were being hyperbolic. Nobody has any right to claim surprise. If you couldn't see this coming, you are stupid, full stop.

throw0101d 2y ago

> It's what America wanted. Yeah… Egg shortages. Fatal measles outbreaks. Airplane crashes. Crypto scams. Tariffs. Betrayal of allies. Pardons and special favors for insurrectionists, crooked mayors, and online pimps. The American people voted for change! * https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/1895150416738033992 https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/1895150416738033992

sitkack 2y ago

• 77,302,580 voted for this administration (49.8%) • 77,935,722 voted against this administration (50.2%) With an estimated population of 341M, there were approximately 90M people who were eligible to vote (over 18, and not prevented from voting from a conviction) that did not vote. The American people DO NOT support Trump. He only won due to voter suppression and a massive amount of ad money. From https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43191410 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43191410

jisnsm 2y ago
Democrats vastly outspent republicans. https://www.axios.com/2024/10/31/democrats-republicans-ad-spending-election-day https://www.axios.com/2024/10/31/democrats-republicans-ad-sp...
kelnos 2y ago
I don't think we can look at it that simply. Of the voters who didn't vote for Trump or Harris, certainly some of them would have voted for Trump (or not voted at all) if their third-party candidate didn't exist. Put another way, if we had universal approval or ranked-choice voting, it's plausible that Trump would have ended up with a popular vote majority (but it could have gone either way, certainly). > there were approximately 90M people who were eligible to vote that did not vote.* Whenever an election is decided, I generally move all of those uncast votes over to the tally of whoever won. Staying home and not voting is the same thing as a soft-vote for whoever wins. > voter suppression I wish we could really quantify this. Not that it would change MAGA minds about anything, but it could be useful to know. > a massive amount of ad money Harris had a similarly massive amount of ad money, too, and it didn't help. Honestly, I think the failures of the Democratic party machine as a whole are just as responsible for Harris's loss as GOP underhandedness is.
- sitkack 2y ago
  You said I was looking at simply. I reported the election results. The majority of the voters did not vote for this administration. > Democratic party machine as a whole are just as responsible for Harris's loss as GOP underhandedness is. This we agree on. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-spent-290-million-233929521.html https://finance.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-spent-290-million-2... It isn't just the money, but whom it benefits. Someone almost no discretionary income, 100 or 300 is a ton of money. Musk won't even notice the 290M.

sys_64738 2y ago

> I've decided to stop caring. This is a problem because if you stop caring about Ukraine falling, you will start to care when Poland, baltic countries, etc., get overrun next. Zelenskyy wasn't joking when he mentioned American shores.