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Reuter's timeline: https://www.reuters.com/world/ukraine-russia-war/trump-zelenskiy-meeting-latest-updates-ukraine-minerals-deal-2025-02-28/ https://www.reuters

Reuter's timeline: https://www.reuters.com/world/ukraine-russia-war/trump-zelenskiy-meeting-latest-updates-ukraine-minerals-deal-2025-02-28/ https://www.reuters.com/world/ukraine-russia-war/trump-zelen... To state the obvious, the Trump administration is more interested in profiting from a minerals deal than supplying any actual security guarantees. The Russian Federation has proved time and time again that they will breach any peace agreements (as occurred with the current invasion which breached agreements bartered after the annexation of Crimea) made with Ukraine for piecewise annexation of their neighbors, at any price to their own soldiers and people. True lasting peace, is avoiding further steps to another world war. It takes hardly a high school education in history to recognize those preliminary warning signs in Russia's behavior. A common talking point that the Trump administration seems to use, is that they are doing precisely that- preventing a world war- by refusing to further arm and protect Ukraine with weapons and security guarantees- however this refusal does just the opposite, and this minerals deal really has nothing to do with Ukraine's security or interests. The devil is in the details, and the Trump admin refuses to detail how the minerals deal would protect Ukraine or how they would respond to further territorial incursions if the deal were to be signed. Aside from all this, of course there's a lot of topical nonsense in how Trump and Vance conducted themselves, with shouting and lecturing at Zelensky, but these are all distractions, and they have almost no substance or details to back their broad claims about how or why this conflict started and what would end it. Scapegoating and bullshitting seems to be their game, but luckily Zelensky both asserted himself where possible and kept a relatively calm, but brutally honest, demeanor. Because the security threats to America would come a bit later, likely in the form of Russia marching into a NATO country, Americans will believe what they want about the conflict. Trump makes this especially easy with his false and misleading oversimplifications. It is sad to think that a proportionally small sacrifice by the American taxpayer to help a country like Ukraine has been sized up as unworthy collateral for saving lives and fighting fascism.

drawkward 2y ago
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- amarcheschi 2y ago
  Europe being carved up? My man over there has single handedly given new life in the European defense sector, with other countries joining nato
  - kadoban 2y ago
    It depends how well European countries are able to defend themselves (and their political systems) from attack and corruption by Russia. So far, IMO, results have been mixed. I am hopeful for Europe though.
    - twixfel 2y ago
      It will be tough. America is now trying to export American-style fascism to Europe as well. So we have a new enemy, a former friend who has betrayed us. As I say, it'll be tough.
      - jjgreen 2y ago
        Just as well that the UK's nuclear weapons can be fired without American permission, ..., oh wait ...
        kadoban 2y ago
        If it comes to that, the current global society is done and gone, and quite possibly humanity with it. No way the UK doesn't have control over their own devices though.
        contrast 2y ago
        You might want to do a bit of research there before commenting further. France built an independent system, the UK did not.
        kadoban 2y ago
code_biologist 2y ago
Alex Krainer, a tinfoil hat geopolitical analyst, has speculated that the pre-election meetings between Zelensky and Trump included talks of a mineral rights deal, but that the recent UK/Ukraine "100 Year Partnership" deal signed on 16 Jan includes secret mineral rights concessions to the UK in return for military assistance — exactly the rights Trump wanted and now can't get. It would explain why Britain has recently (15 Feb and after) been so public with plans to send troops to Ukraine. It also explains why Trump is so eager to undermine Zelensky's democratic legitimacy, as it would invalidate Zelensky's deal with the UK and allow the US a chance at the mineral rights again. Krainer also speculates that Trump's political theater over mineral rights is raking Zelensky over the coals as retribution for doing a deal without the US, and trying to get Zelensky to spill the beans on the secret terms of the deal already done with the UK.

drawkward 2y ago

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amarcheschi 2y ago
Europe being carved up? My man over there has single handedly given new life in the European defense sector, with other countries joining nato
- kadoban 2y ago
  It depends how well European countries are able to defend themselves (and their political systems) from attack and corruption by Russia. So far, IMO, results have been mixed. I am hopeful for Europe though.
  - twixfel 2y ago
    It will be tough. America is now trying to export American-style fascism to Europe as well. So we have a new enemy, a former friend who has betrayed us. As I say, it'll be tough.
    - jjgreen 2y ago
      Just as well that the UK's nuclear weapons can be fired without American permission, ..., oh wait ...
      - kadoban 2y ago
        If it comes to that, the current global society is done and gone, and quite possibly humanity with it. No way the UK doesn't have control over their own devices though.
        contrast 2y ago
        You might want to do a bit of research there before commenting further. France built an independent system, the UK did not.
        kadoban 2y ago

code_biologist 2y ago

Alex Krainer, a tinfoil hat geopolitical analyst, has speculated that the pre-election meetings between Zelensky and Trump included talks of a mineral rights deal, but that the recent UK/Ukraine "100 Year Partnership" deal signed on 16 Jan includes secret mineral rights concessions to the UK in return for military assistance — exactly the rights Trump wanted and now can't get. It would explain why Britain has recently (15 Feb and after) been so public with plans to send troops to Ukraine. It also explains why Trump is so eager to undermine Zelensky's democratic legitimacy, as it would invalidate Zelensky's deal with the UK and allow the US a chance at the mineral rights again. Krainer also speculates that Trump's political theater over mineral rights is raking Zelensky over the coals as retribution for doing a deal without the US, and trying to get Zelensky to spill the beans on the secret terms of the deal already done with the UK.