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My conspiracy theory is that gears are slowly turning to revamp the culture, redefine what’s acceptable/not acceptable and eventually suggest that if you won’t

My conspiracy theory is that gears are slowly turning to revamp the culture, redefine what’s acceptable/not acceptable and eventually suggest that if you won’t have kids you’re not accepted in the society. Basically a funky way to reverse the population decline, as the governments are realizing this problem won’t be fixed by free markets and etc.

ryandrake 2y ago
It seems like not so much a conspiracy theory as something totally transparent and out in the open. There's a huge political push to birth as many babies as possible. Major political parties have it as part of their platform. Their spokespeople talk derisively of "childless cat ladies" and how you're not a real contributor to society unless you produce babies. The "Birth" lobby is a stool composed of several legs: 1. Attack abortion 2. Attack contraception 3. Attack porn 4. Attack education 5. Attack "women in the workforce" All of these things are seen as contributing to declining birth rates, so they're opposed by Big Birth. You can see the same politicians tend to go after these things in lock step.
- tokioyoyo 2y ago
  Pretty much, yeah. Like everything is factually right, but I completely disagree with their method. So far, they’ve failed at each step. There’s a very obvious “pro-religion” push going on across all social media as well, but it’s hard to pinpoint when/how it started. Not sure how far they’ll have to roll back women’s rights to get where they want to, but it’s incredibly sad to watch. Not sure how fathers with daughters are going to watch this happen in real time as well.
- AndriyKunitsyn 2y ago
  I don't think they can succeed though, because the 5. is the crucial step, as being a baby-making machine is a full-time job, and no lobby is going to get a lot of following from the business with the premise to cut the available workforce by half.
  - jmb99 2y ago
    With the absolutely massive investment in (and push for) AI, I assume the belief is that the the reduction of workforce will have less of an impact.
    - lII1lIlI11ll 2y ago
      If the plan is to have most people out of job soon-ish, then big population with bunch of young people without good prospects is a recipe for disaster.
  - Juliate 2y ago
    If 1. and 2. are done, 5. falls very easily. It's no surprise they started with attacking Roe vs. Wade.
- account42 2y ago
  Now consider that perhaps the current state is the result of a similar conspiracy but in the other direction.
_zagj 2y ago
People aren't having kids because of stagnant real wages and soaring home prices. In the US, the median home price is now $450k. In Canada, it's $650k. And when people do have children, they're on average having fewer, later in life (with a greater risk of complications): https://www.northwell.edu/news/the-latest/geriatric-pregnancy-increases-complication-rate https://www.northwell.edu/news/the-latest/geriatric-pregnanc... I doubt banning porn or abortion or engaging in cultural engineering will fix this. And then there's this phenomenon, discussion of which was once verboten in goodthink circles (like HN) due to its anti-feminist and "incel" optics, but has since grown enough in strength and scale to shove its way through the Overton Window so that even respectable, MSM sources cover it: https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/3868557-most-young-men-are-single-most-young-women-are-not/ https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/3868557-most-yo...
- sitkack 2y ago
  The best way to have more kids is to increase the size of the middle class, while lowering housing, food and childcare costs.
  - ahoka 2y ago
    I don't think creating the illusion of an imaginary middle class ever helped anything. I believe it only makes things worse, as now a lot of people think they are not working class, just because they have an above median wage. Snap it, even some even hold to the illusion that they are rich, just because they have a house with a mortgage and a private pension. What you need to have a modern, western country instead of a dog-eat-dog wild west is welfare, including universal health care. But welfare is considered as an evil communist plot in the US and the people who are led to believe that they are somehow above the working masses keep voting against their own interests. Not just in the US, unfortunately.
  - tokioyoyo 2y ago
    I have no idea why people keep saying it's monetary reasons. Why would anyone have 3 kids nowadays? There are no real incentives, other than "I want a big family". Society actively discourages large families as well. The amount of people in their 20s aiming for that is getting smaller and smaller too. The best way to have more kids, unironically, is making everyone as poor as possible, removing any other method of entertainment, and making "having kids" the only choice. That's how it worked for the eternity, and some people want a percentage of people to go back to it, so it would support the current established system.
lII1lIlI11ll 2y ago
First of all, US population has been steadily growing, so I don't get why big business (whose interests current administration represent) would need to engage in long-term culture engineering for steady supply of new workers. Second of all, majority of US population is urban. People in NY or Bay Area can't elect a president who represents their interests due to how Electoral College is designed but attempting to change their opinions on having children by banning porn is a pipe dream.
- tokioyoyo 2y ago
  Again, it's just a fun conspiracy theory in my head, and no, it doesn't have to be big business. Like you realize churches have been pouring money in ads, apps, and etc. right? They're actively trying to get back all the lost memberships. US population is growing for a combination of immigration and just slightly better birth rates than others. It's nowhere close to above-replacement levels (2.1). Just check out the population pyramid, and you can see there are less younger kids than older ones.
- Mistletoe 2y ago
  “The population growth rate is projected to slow from 0.6% per year between 2024 and 2034 to 0.2% per year between 2045 and 2054.” And almost all growth is immigration, the fertility rate hits new lows constantly. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/nchs_press_releases/2024/20240525.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/nchs_press_releases/2024/... “U.S. Fertility Rate Drops to Another Historic Low”
  - lII1lIlI11ll 2y ago
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    - dingnuts 2y ago
      The culture dies if locals don't have children and the immigrants don't assimilate. There are already many pockets of micro cultures in the US and that's what the people in power are using to divide us already. I'm increasingly convinced that the goal is to balkanize the US and establish a Network State guided by silicon valley, as described by Curtis Yarvin

ryandrake 2y ago

It seems like not so much a conspiracy theory as something totally transparent and out in the open. There's a huge political push to birth as many babies as possible. Major political parties have it as part of their platform. Their spokespeople talk derisively of "childless cat ladies" and how you're not a real contributor to society unless you produce babies. The "Birth" lobby is a stool composed of several legs: 1. Attack abortion 2. Attack contraception 3. Attack porn 4. Attack education 5. Attack "women in the workforce" All of these things are seen as contributing to declining birth rates, so they're opposed by Big Birth. You can see the same politicians tend to go after these things in lock step.

tokioyoyo 2y ago
Pretty much, yeah. Like everything is factually right, but I completely disagree with their method. So far, they’ve failed at each step. There’s a very obvious “pro-religion” push going on across all social media as well, but it’s hard to pinpoint when/how it started. Not sure how far they’ll have to roll back women’s rights to get where they want to, but it’s incredibly sad to watch. Not sure how fathers with daughters are going to watch this happen in real time as well.
AndriyKunitsyn 2y ago
I don't think they can succeed though, because the 5. is the crucial step, as being a baby-making machine is a full-time job, and no lobby is going to get a lot of following from the business with the premise to cut the available workforce by half.
- jmb99 2y ago
  With the absolutely massive investment in (and push for) AI, I assume the belief is that the the reduction of workforce will have less of an impact.
  - lII1lIlI11ll 2y ago
    If the plan is to have most people out of job soon-ish, then big population with bunch of young people without good prospects is a recipe for disaster.
- Juliate 2y ago
  If 1. and 2. are done, 5. falls very easily. It's no surprise they started with attacking Roe vs. Wade.
account42 2y ago
Now consider that perhaps the current state is the result of a similar conspiracy but in the other direction.

_zagj 2y ago

People aren't having kids because of stagnant real wages and soaring home prices. In the US, the median home price is now $450k. In Canada, it's $650k. And when people do have children, they're on average having fewer, later in life (with a greater risk of complications): https://www.northwell.edu/news/the-latest/geriatric-pregnancy-increases-complication-rate https://www.northwell.edu/news/the-latest/geriatric-pregnanc... I doubt banning porn or abortion or engaging in cultural engineering will fix this. And then there's this phenomenon, discussion of which was once verboten in goodthink circles (like HN) due to its anti-feminist and "incel" optics, but has since grown enough in strength and scale to shove its way through the Overton Window so that even respectable, MSM sources cover it: https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/3868557-most-young-men-are-single-most-young-women-are-not/ https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/3868557-most-yo...

sitkack 2y ago
The best way to have more kids is to increase the size of the middle class, while lowering housing, food and childcare costs.
- ahoka 2y ago
  I don't think creating the illusion of an imaginary middle class ever helped anything. I believe it only makes things worse, as now a lot of people think they are not working class, just because they have an above median wage. Snap it, even some even hold to the illusion that they are rich, just because they have a house with a mortgage and a private pension. What you need to have a modern, western country instead of a dog-eat-dog wild west is welfare, including universal health care. But welfare is considered as an evil communist plot in the US and the people who are led to believe that they are somehow above the working masses keep voting against their own interests. Not just in the US, unfortunately.
- tokioyoyo 2y ago
  I have no idea why people keep saying it's monetary reasons. Why would anyone have 3 kids nowadays? There are no real incentives, other than "I want a big family". Society actively discourages large families as well. The amount of people in their 20s aiming for that is getting smaller and smaller too. The best way to have more kids, unironically, is making everyone as poor as possible, removing any other method of entertainment, and making "having kids" the only choice. That's how it worked for the eternity, and some people want a percentage of people to go back to it, so it would support the current established system.

lII1lIlI11ll 2y ago

First of all, US population has been steadily growing, so I don't get why big business (whose interests current administration represent) would need to engage in long-term culture engineering for steady supply of new workers. Second of all, majority of US population is urban. People in NY or Bay Area can't elect a president who represents their interests due to how Electoral College is designed but attempting to change their opinions on having children by banning porn is a pipe dream.

tokioyoyo 2y ago
Again, it's just a fun conspiracy theory in my head, and no, it doesn't have to be big business. Like you realize churches have been pouring money in ads, apps, and etc. right? They're actively trying to get back all the lost memberships. US population is growing for a combination of immigration and just slightly better birth rates than others. It's nowhere close to above-replacement levels (2.1). Just check out the population pyramid, and you can see there are less younger kids than older ones.
Mistletoe 2y ago
“The population growth rate is projected to slow from 0.6% per year between 2024 and 2034 to 0.2% per year between 2045 and 2054.” And almost all growth is immigration, the fertility rate hits new lows constantly. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/nchs_press_releases/2024/20240525.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/nchs_press_releases/2024/... “U.S. Fertility Rate Drops to Another Historic Low”
- lII1lIlI11ll 2y ago
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  - dingnuts 2y ago
    The culture dies if locals don't have children and the immigrants don't assimilate. There are already many pockets of micro cultures in the US and that's what the people in power are using to divide us already. I'm increasingly convinced that the goal is to balkanize the US and establish a Network State guided by silicon valley, as described by Curtis Yarvin