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We are under an attack by Puritanism that is quite astounding actually. And no one is doing anything. Everyone just keeps bending the knee. https://www.reddi

We are under an attack by Puritanism that is quite astounding actually. And no one is doing anything. Everyone just keeps bending the knee. https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/1hqqpbt/newest_version_states_where_pornhub_will_be/ https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/1hqqpbt/newest_ver... Some of the things that are happening are just from the threat of “something bad might come down from the new administration”. It’s so ridiculous.

mmooss 2y ago
IIRC, terms like that have been in agreements for many years. It's boilerplate, almost.
Spivak 2y ago
It's gonna be a weird few years that's for sure. I'll leave it to the historians to decide when the actual tipping point was but the shift in the GOP from being run by Republicans with a few bones thrown to Conservatives every now and again when it's time to drum up votes to the show now being run by Conservatives is going to be the point between two political eras. It's by far not the first time this has happened but it's kinda surreal to be alive for one.
- gunian 2y ago
  wait till you unlock 1984 esque reality they are beta testing on us rn when you see slavery is still very alive im sure this will seem like just a playful moment
  - notyourwork 2y ago
    I want to entertain you but use a caps lock and some punctuation from time to time. It gives your comments more credence.
    - deleted 2y ago
      [deleted]
  - jmb99 2y ago
    At least in the US, slavery is alive and well. 13th amendment abolishes slavery except as punishment for a crime, and prisoners all over the country perform forced labour for a small fraction of federal minimum wage.
    - gunian 2y ago
      haha just wait until you unlock the open air slavery they are testing don't even need a conviction just gotta piss off the right spoiled rich folk :) ever seen a reality where multiple people have access to all your accounts but no matter what you do your bank or anyone else can't seem to help
      - boppo1 2y ago
        This is what the 2nd is for.
    - blah2244 2y ago
      Attempts to eliminate this have even failed in solid blue states -- Prop 6 in California failed 53-47 last election. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_California_Proposition_6 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_California_Proposition_6
- jltsiren 2y ago
  I'd say it was the decline and fall of the Soviet block. Without the external pressure to remain competitive, the balance shifted from realism towards ideology.
  - ragnese 2y ago
    The U.S. still has competition from Europe and China, no? I'm not convinced that the puritanical fanatics would ever make the rational decision to ease up on their efforts for the sake of the economy. For non-Western examples, see Iran and Afghanistan since the mid 20th century.
    - kloop 2y ago
      > The U.S. still has competition from Europe and China, no? Not militarily, at least not the way the Soviets were competition. If the US really is on the Roman path and transitioning from the republic to the empire, it's not clear Europe + China have enough force to keep MAD in place. Europe + China have between 500-750 nuclear weapons usable on short notice. Depending on how well classified US missile defense programs work, it's possible for the US to only lose a single digit number of metropolitan areas. Combine this with the fact that large, dense urban areas primarily contain the current administration's political opponents, and that may become acceptable losses. A potential alliance between the US and Russia being on the table (or at least a non-aggression pact) further bring a non-MAD world order into the range of possibilities.
- account42 2y ago
  It's not any more surreal than the extreme shift in the other direction we had before. If anything, what you are experiencing now is just the expecte (over)correction to that.
tavavex 2y ago
The squeeze on any content that religious people find 'yucky' is double-pronged in the US - encouraged both by governments and businesses. Paypal, Visa, Mastercard et al are given complete discretion over what transactions they can block, and they have already extensively used this to deprive legal NSFW platforms and creators of their income. So, on one end, state governments are trying to strongarm NSFW services by imposing draconian requirements that ask users to submit their private data to some random opaque 'benevolent' third party business - and on the other, payment processors are using their legal right to refuse whatever transaction for any reason so they can starve them of income.
- ikr678 2y ago
  I dont think the pressure from payment processors is because of puritanism, but rather payments in this space tend to come with a much higher % of fraud and chargebacks and they've decided it's not worth the risk.
  - sitkack 2y ago
    That is half truth that gives them cover.
    - sitkack 2y ago
      Many people agree with this comment, for a leaf comment, it is substantial at 15.
  - throw16180339 2y ago
    Visa and Mastercard also have limits on what percentage of a bank's transactions can be adult.
- duped 2y ago
  "risk management" is not puritanism - sex work has a different/higher risk profile for PSPs (fraud, chargebacks, etc) and it's easier to say "no" than to come up with a new product to serve customers. An enterprising PM at a PSP or fintech could look at the size of the sex industry, measure the risk of providing payment/banking services to sex workers and businesses and offer them at a premium like any other "niche" financial area. And while we're on the topic of "draconian" regulations from the government - it's not outside their interest to limit the availability of obscene content from children. This isn't a "think of the children" argument so much as "children consume graphic pornography at huge rates and porn providers make money off them as consumers and producers with such inept guardrails that age verification has been a meme for 25 years." I don't think validating your identity with a government ID (and storing it forever) is a good countermeasure but I disagree its some kind of draconian limitation on free speech. If porn sites didn't buy and sell sex from kids and self regulated, this wouldn't be necessary (nb4 "it's the parent's problem" - good luck!)
userbinator 2y ago
I don't think that's the problem here, as I don't want to see porn on e.g. Mozilla's forums either. There's a place and time for that content and Mozilla shouldn't be the one to decide for others. The problem is whether Firefox is a Mozilla "service" or not, and the way the terms is linked implies that it is.
- yencabulator 2y ago
  There's a huge difference between a public forum and cloud storage for e.g. your private bookmarks.
0xbadcafebee 2y ago
The Puritans have been trying to ban porn here since the concept has existed, it's never stopped, and it's never going to stop. They're miserable and they want everyone else to be too. That's like most of their religion. Going to church, being ashamed of bodies, and judging people.
- jack_pp 2y ago
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  - nisa 2y ago
    It's about imposing your view of the world on others. That's the problem here with the puritanians.
    - account42 2y ago
      > It's about imposing your view of the world on others. That's literally every ideology.
  - rvba 2y ago
    So because you did X and had a problem, it means it should be banned for everyone, including people whp dont have a problem with X?
    - jack_pp 2y ago
      Are you seriously saying porn is being suppressed? It's a bigger industry than it has ever been. Visa has the option to do business with whomever they like or dislike and I'm not even sure they don't support them because of religious reasons. I'm not saying it should be banned but saying the people who are against it or don't want to do business with such entities are miserable is twisted given it is an industry where most of the actors are victims of abuse, the viewers learn a distorted view of sexuality and younger generations have less respect for each other because of it.
ForTheKidz 2y ago
I'm all down to write off contract law as "puritanism" but the rot is far deeper than an aesthetic (and frankly I'm unclear how puritanism applies to this situation at all). EDIT: I'm not sure why porn is particularly interesting here when most internet activity seems to be potentially against terms of service.
tokioyoyo 2y ago
My conspiracy theory is that gears are slowly turning to revamp the culture, redefine what’s acceptable/not acceptable and eventually suggest that if you won’t have kids you’re not accepted in the society. Basically a funky way to reverse the population decline, as the governments are realizing this problem won’t be fixed by free markets and etc.
- ryandrake 2y ago
  It seems like not so much a conspiracy theory as something totally transparent and out in the open. There's a huge political push to birth as many babies as possible. Major political parties have it as part of their platform. Their spokespeople talk derisively of "childless cat ladies" and how you're not a real contributor to society unless you produce babies. The "Birth" lobby is a stool composed of several legs: 1. Attack abortion 2. Attack contraception 3. Attack porn 4. Attack education 5. Attack "women in the workforce" All of these things are seen as contributing to declining birth rates, so they're opposed by Big Birth. You can see the same politicians tend to go after these things in lock step.
  - tokioyoyo 2y ago
    Pretty much, yeah. Like everything is factually right, but I completely disagree with their method. So far, they’ve failed at each step. There’s a very obvious “pro-religion” push going on across all social media as well, but it’s hard to pinpoint when/how it started. Not sure how far they’ll have to roll back women’s rights to get where they want to, but it’s incredibly sad to watch. Not sure how fathers with daughters are going to watch this happen in real time as well.
  - AndriyKunitsyn 2y ago
    I don't think they can succeed though, because the 5. is the crucial step, as being a baby-making machine is a full-time job, and no lobby is going to get a lot of following from the business with the premise to cut the available workforce by half.
    - 2y ago
lenkite 2y ago
Confused. What do Firefox's terms of service have to do with puritanism ? Have Firefox developers become puritanist or something ? That would be extremely surprising if true. Any evidence (anecdotal or otherwise) to this ?
- Mistletoe 2y ago
  "You may not use any of Mozilla’s services to[...]Upload, download, transmit, display, or grant access to content that includes graphic depictions of sexuality“
  - olyjohn 2y ago
    When I run Transmission, it also says "don't use this for piracy." Of course people are gonna pirate with it. It's just to cover their asses.
BoingBoomTschak 2y ago
"We"? Do we live in the same first world where people fuck like animals and promiscuity is the overwhelming norm?
salemh 2y ago
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mmooss 2y ago

IIRC, terms like that have been in agreements for many years. It's boilerplate, almost.

Spivak 2y ago

It's gonna be a weird few years that's for sure. I'll leave it to the historians to decide when the actual tipping point was but the shift in the GOP from being run by Republicans with a few bones thrown to Conservatives every now and again when it's time to drum up votes to the show now being run by Conservatives is going to be the point between two political eras. It's by far not the first time this has happened but it's kinda surreal to be alive for one.

gunian 2y ago
wait till you unlock 1984 esque reality they are beta testing on us rn when you see slavery is still very alive im sure this will seem like just a playful moment
- notyourwork 2y ago
  I want to entertain you but use a caps lock and some punctuation from time to time. It gives your comments more credence.
  - deleted 2y ago
    [deleted]
- jmb99 2y ago
  At least in the US, slavery is alive and well. 13th amendment abolishes slavery except as punishment for a crime, and prisoners all over the country perform forced labour for a small fraction of federal minimum wage.
  - gunian 2y ago
    haha just wait until you unlock the open air slavery they are testing don't even need a conviction just gotta piss off the right spoiled rich folk :) ever seen a reality where multiple people have access to all your accounts but no matter what you do your bank or anyone else can't seem to help
    - boppo1 2y ago
      This is what the 2nd is for.
  - blah2244 2y ago
    Attempts to eliminate this have even failed in solid blue states -- Prop 6 in California failed 53-47 last election. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_California_Proposition_6 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_California_Proposition_6
jltsiren 2y ago
I'd say it was the decline and fall of the Soviet block. Without the external pressure to remain competitive, the balance shifted from realism towards ideology.
- ragnese 2y ago
  The U.S. still has competition from Europe and China, no? I'm not convinced that the puritanical fanatics would ever make the rational decision to ease up on their efforts for the sake of the economy. For non-Western examples, see Iran and Afghanistan since the mid 20th century.
  - kloop 2y ago
    > The U.S. still has competition from Europe and China, no? Not militarily, at least not the way the Soviets were competition. If the US really is on the Roman path and transitioning from the republic to the empire, it's not clear Europe + China have enough force to keep MAD in place. Europe + China have between 500-750 nuclear weapons usable on short notice. Depending on how well classified US missile defense programs work, it's possible for the US to only lose a single digit number of metropolitan areas. Combine this with the fact that large, dense urban areas primarily contain the current administration's political opponents, and that may become acceptable losses. A potential alliance between the US and Russia being on the table (or at least a non-aggression pact) further bring a non-MAD world order into the range of possibilities.
account42 2y ago
It's not any more surreal than the extreme shift in the other direction we had before. If anything, what you are experiencing now is just the expecte (over)correction to that.

tavavex 2y ago

The squeeze on any content that religious people find 'yucky' is double-pronged in the US - encouraged both by governments and businesses. Paypal, Visa, Mastercard et al are given complete discretion over what transactions they can block, and they have already extensively used this to deprive legal NSFW platforms and creators of their income. So, on one end, state governments are trying to strongarm NSFW services by imposing draconian requirements that ask users to submit their private data to some random opaque 'benevolent' third party business - and on the other, payment processors are using their legal right to refuse whatever transaction for any reason so they can starve them of income.

ikr678 2y ago
I dont think the pressure from payment processors is because of puritanism, but rather payments in this space tend to come with a much higher % of fraud and chargebacks and they've decided it's not worth the risk.
- sitkack 2y ago
  That is half truth that gives them cover.
  - sitkack 2y ago
    Many people agree with this comment, for a leaf comment, it is substantial at 15.
- throw16180339 2y ago
  Visa and Mastercard also have limits on what percentage of a bank's transactions can be adult.
duped 2y ago
"risk management" is not puritanism - sex work has a different/higher risk profile for PSPs (fraud, chargebacks, etc) and it's easier to say "no" than to come up with a new product to serve customers. An enterprising PM at a PSP or fintech could look at the size of the sex industry, measure the risk of providing payment/banking services to sex workers and businesses and offer them at a premium like any other "niche" financial area. And while we're on the topic of "draconian" regulations from the government - it's not outside their interest to limit the availability of obscene content from children. This isn't a "think of the children" argument so much as "children consume graphic pornography at huge rates and porn providers make money off them as consumers and producers with such inept guardrails that age verification has been a meme for 25 years." I don't think validating your identity with a government ID (and storing it forever) is a good countermeasure but I disagree its some kind of draconian limitation on free speech. If porn sites didn't buy and sell sex from kids and self regulated, this wouldn't be necessary (nb4 "it's the parent's problem" - good luck!)

userbinator 2y ago

I don't think that's the problem here, as I don't want to see porn on e.g. Mozilla's forums either. There's a place and time for that content and Mozilla shouldn't be the one to decide for others. The problem is whether Firefox is a Mozilla "service" or not, and the way the terms is linked implies that it is.

yencabulator 2y ago
There's a huge difference between a public forum and cloud storage for e.g. your private bookmarks.

0xbadcafebee 2y ago

The Puritans have been trying to ban porn here since the concept has existed, it's never stopped, and it's never going to stop. They're miserable and they want everyone else to be too. That's like most of their religion. Going to church, being ashamed of bodies, and judging people.

jack_pp 2y ago
[flagged]
- nisa 2y ago
  It's about imposing your view of the world on others. That's the problem here with the puritanians.
  - account42 2y ago
    > It's about imposing your view of the world on others. That's literally every ideology.
- rvba 2y ago
  So because you did X and had a problem, it means it should be banned for everyone, including people whp dont have a problem with X?
  - jack_pp 2y ago
    Are you seriously saying porn is being suppressed? It's a bigger industry than it has ever been. Visa has the option to do business with whomever they like or dislike and I'm not even sure they don't support them because of religious reasons. I'm not saying it should be banned but saying the people who are against it or don't want to do business with such entities are miserable is twisted given it is an industry where most of the actors are victims of abuse, the viewers learn a distorted view of sexuality and younger generations have less respect for each other because of it.

ForTheKidz 2y ago

I'm all down to write off contract law as "puritanism" but the rot is far deeper than an aesthetic (and frankly I'm unclear how puritanism applies to this situation at all). EDIT: I'm not sure why porn is particularly interesting here when most internet activity seems to be potentially against terms of service.

tokioyoyo 2y ago

My conspiracy theory is that gears are slowly turning to revamp the culture, redefine what’s acceptable/not acceptable and eventually suggest that if you won’t have kids you’re not accepted in the society. Basically a funky way to reverse the population decline, as the governments are realizing this problem won’t be fixed by free markets and etc.

ryandrake 2y ago
It seems like not so much a conspiracy theory as something totally transparent and out in the open. There's a huge political push to birth as many babies as possible. Major political parties have it as part of their platform. Their spokespeople talk derisively of "childless cat ladies" and how you're not a real contributor to society unless you produce babies. The "Birth" lobby is a stool composed of several legs: 1. Attack abortion 2. Attack contraception 3. Attack porn 4. Attack education 5. Attack "women in the workforce" All of these things are seen as contributing to declining birth rates, so they're opposed by Big Birth. You can see the same politicians tend to go after these things in lock step.
- tokioyoyo 2y ago
  Pretty much, yeah. Like everything is factually right, but I completely disagree with their method. So far, they’ve failed at each step. There’s a very obvious “pro-religion” push going on across all social media as well, but it’s hard to pinpoint when/how it started. Not sure how far they’ll have to roll back women’s rights to get where they want to, but it’s incredibly sad to watch. Not sure how fathers with daughters are going to watch this happen in real time as well.
- AndriyKunitsyn 2y ago
  I don't think they can succeed though, because the 5. is the crucial step, as being a baby-making machine is a full-time job, and no lobby is going to get a lot of following from the business with the premise to cut the available workforce by half.
  - 2y ago

lenkite 2y ago

Confused. What do Firefox's terms of service have to do with puritanism ? Have Firefox developers become puritanist or something ? That would be extremely surprising if true. Any evidence (anecdotal or otherwise) to this ?

Mistletoe 2y ago
"You may not use any of Mozilla’s services to[...]Upload, download, transmit, display, or grant access to content that includes graphic depictions of sexuality“
- olyjohn 2y ago
  When I run Transmission, it also says "don't use this for piracy." Of course people are gonna pirate with it. It's just to cover their asses.

BoingBoomTschak 2y ago

"We"? Do we live in the same first world where people fuck like animals and promiscuity is the overwhelming norm?

salemh 2y ago

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