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> why should Apple be forced to allow sideloading? Because it's unreasonable for any manufacturer to have that much control over how end users use their device

> why should Apple be forced to allow sideloading? Because it's unreasonable for any manufacturer to have that much control over how end users use their devices. > A big part of the reason I use Apple products is that they protect not only me, but my family who don't know what the implications of sideloading are. You can still use devices in nanny mode if needed. If your relatives can be talked into sideloading an app and bypassing the inevitable big scary warnings, they can be talked into other stuff equally as dangerous.

carlosjobim 2y ago
Car manufacturers have total control over how users use their devices. If you want to change any of that, you have to start making hardware changes. You can do that with an Apple device also, if you have the skills. But why?
- Dylan16807 2y ago
  Nobody has those skills because of how hostile they've made it to modification. That's the problem. And the more car manufacturers do similar things, they more they become the problem too and laws need to get involved.
  - carlosjobim 2y ago
    > That's the problem. That's not their problem.
    - Dylan16807 2y ago
      If they want to do a sale rather than a rental, it should be their problem.
- kennysoona 2y ago
  > Car manufacturers have total control over how users use their devices. If you want to change any of that, you have to start making hardware changes. Cars are not phones, and your analogy here is missing the point. No one should have to make hardware modifications because they want to put code on their computer without paying Apple for the privilege. It's not more complicated than that. As I said, you can still have your device in nanny mode if you need it.
  - carlosjobim 2y ago
    Step one: Bore out one of your cylinders. Step two: Your car breaks down, because everything in the engine is connected and finely tuned by the microsecond to function as one integral unit. Step three: Blame Toyota and petition the EU to force Toyota to help you bore out your cylinder. That's pretty much the equivalent. You hackers already have hundreds of Linux distros that are destroyed-on-deilvery because of the endless tinkering and programmer-first mindset. There's Android, Windows, and a plethora of other systems for you. Why can't we have at least one computer (Mac) and one phone (iPhone) that is not destroyed by FOSS and corporate people, and is actually useful for normal people who want to get things done? I don't get it. Why don't you direct your efforts into fixing Linux or Android? Then you wouldn't have to think about Apple and their devices.
    - kennysoona 2y ago
      > That's pretty much the equivalent. No, it isn't. Your example is not analogous at all. No one wanting to sideload is talking about blaming Apple for anything, this is purely an invented argument because your excuse of vulnerable family members doesn't hold up. > You hackers already have hundreds of Linux distros that are destroyed-on-deilvery because of the endless tinkering and programmer-first mindset. There's Android, Windows, and a plethora of other systems for you. Irrelevant. An iPhone is a computer, a far more general purpose computer as opposed to something like a playstation (although I believe that should be open enough that people can put Linux on it as with the PS3). It's simply unacceptable that a manufacturer dictates the code we can run on hardware we paid for. That's it. > Why can't we have at least one computer (Mac) and one phone (iPhone) that is not destroyed by FOSS and corporate people Giving people extra freedom isn't 'destroying' anything. Your concerns are incredibly misplaced. > and is actually useful for normal people who want to get things done? Your iPhone won't be any less useful if people can sideload apps on it. Your concerns are incredibly misplaced. > I don't get it. Why don't you direct your efforts into fixing Linux or Android? Then you wouldn't have to think about Apple and their devices. People are not just randomly wanting to tinker, they want to get full functionality out of the hardware they already paid for.
      - 2y ago

carlosjobim 2y ago

Car manufacturers have total control over how users use their devices. If you want to change any of that, you have to start making hardware changes. You can do that with an Apple device also, if you have the skills. But why?

Dylan16807 2y ago
Nobody has those skills because of how hostile they've made it to modification. That's the problem. And the more car manufacturers do similar things, they more they become the problem too and laws need to get involved.
- carlosjobim 2y ago
  > That's the problem. That's not their problem.
  - Dylan16807 2y ago
    If they want to do a sale rather than a rental, it should be their problem.
kennysoona 2y ago
> Car manufacturers have total control over how users use their devices. If you want to change any of that, you have to start making hardware changes. Cars are not phones, and your analogy here is missing the point. No one should have to make hardware modifications because they want to put code on their computer without paying Apple for the privilege. It's not more complicated than that. As I said, you can still have your device in nanny mode if you need it.
- carlosjobim 2y ago
  Step one: Bore out one of your cylinders. Step two: Your car breaks down, because everything in the engine is connected and finely tuned by the microsecond to function as one integral unit. Step three: Blame Toyota and petition the EU to force Toyota to help you bore out your cylinder. That's pretty much the equivalent. You hackers already have hundreds of Linux distros that are destroyed-on-deilvery because of the endless tinkering and programmer-first mindset. There's Android, Windows, and a plethora of other systems for you. Why can't we have at least one computer (Mac) and one phone (iPhone) that is not destroyed by FOSS and corporate people, and is actually useful for normal people who want to get things done? I don't get it. Why don't you direct your efforts into fixing Linux or Android? Then you wouldn't have to think about Apple and their devices.
  - kennysoona 2y ago
    > That's pretty much the equivalent. No, it isn't. Your example is not analogous at all. No one wanting to sideload is talking about blaming Apple for anything, this is purely an invented argument because your excuse of vulnerable family members doesn't hold up. > You hackers already have hundreds of Linux distros that are destroyed-on-deilvery because of the endless tinkering and programmer-first mindset. There's Android, Windows, and a plethora of other systems for you. Irrelevant. An iPhone is a computer, a far more general purpose computer as opposed to something like a playstation (although I believe that should be open enough that people can put Linux on it as with the PS3). It's simply unacceptable that a manufacturer dictates the code we can run on hardware we paid for. That's it. > Why can't we have at least one computer (Mac) and one phone (iPhone) that is not destroyed by FOSS and corporate people Giving people extra freedom isn't 'destroying' anything. Your concerns are incredibly misplaced. > and is actually useful for normal people who want to get things done? Your iPhone won't be any less useful if people can sideload apps on it. Your concerns are incredibly misplaced. > I don't get it. Why don't you direct your efforts into fixing Linux or Android? Then you wouldn't have to think about Apple and their devices. People are not just randomly wanting to tinker, they want to get full functionality out of the hardware they already paid for.
    - 2y ago