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USA is turning every day more and more into a totalitarian state, the newspaper owner feel (and in truth are) obligated to get into the trump's cult or else tak

USA is turning every day more and more into a totalitarian state, the newspaper owner feel (and in truth are) obligated to get into the trump's cult or else take the risk to loose on important government contract, get lawsuit or worse. Self censorship is the worst censorship of them all, every totalitarian state does that because it doesn't cost anything but a few threat and exemplary case, and since the news are controlled by very few people there it's easy for the state to pressure them to do the right thing. I think that 60 or 70 years ago you had many newspaper owned by small companies, very decentralized. You wouldn't have been able to do that but now every news paper, television and social network are owned by very few. If you can't rely on professional to report on the news, and if people are forbidden to express themselves (i mean real educated opinion) on facebook, twitter and maybe tiktok you have effectively suppressed one's opinion reach. then when people don't have the possibility anymore to voice their opinion, what prevent you from completely shutting down their voice ? i'm probably being over dramatic, trump never expressed anything about violating usa constitution. like taking a third presidency mandate or not having the people vote for him for the next election, he didn't have close collaborators make fascist salutes to test population outcry (or lack of). free press is always one of the first target with the army of any government that try to turn a democracy into a totalitarian state. Seeing how every big company donated to trump investiture and now how they bow to him. All of them, microsoft, apple, amazon, meta, oracle. i think he succeeded in making the usa technology, social and news companies his own puppets.

isaacremuant 2y ago
The thing is that you think this only started with Trump and that it wasn't happening with the previous Democrats. It was, you just agreed with the totalitarian state when it went your way. Hopefully you learn, but I doubt it. Trump/Elon bad and all that, right?
- aucisson_masque 2y ago
  I never said it all started with trump but trump is the current head of government and he is pushing much harder than previous government. I have never seen for instance Biden or Obama close one make fascist salute.
  - isaacremuant 2y ago
    > I have never seen for instance Biden or Obama close one make fascist salute I've seen Biden be the most authotarian president of the 3 with his COVID policies (shared by authoritarian govs across the world, and I don't mean Saudi, but France or Canada) but that's definitely supported by partisans. I also saw Obama expand on Bush's war crimes and civil rights erosions with cheers instead of criticisms. But people like you are fixated in alleged symbolism. In looks and form instead of function. Forgive me if I don't take "this difficult times we're living" democrat types seriously when they can consistently criticise governments. You've lost your moral high ground.
    - aucisson_masque 2y ago
      You can't seriously say seriously say that Canada and France are authoritarian government because of COVID lockdown. Even in America, 71% Americans agree it was necessary. https://hsph.harvard.edu/news/poll-majority-of-americans-say-key-covid-19-policies-were-a-good-idea-but-views-of-individual-policies-vary/ https://hsph.harvard.edu/news/poll-majority-of-americans-say... > But people like you are fixated in alleged symbolism. In looks and form instead of function. Don't generalize me because you don't know me, I'm not even American, republican or democrat. Merely an history aficionados with interest in totalitarian government. Some Bush Obama and also Biden decision were arguably bad and authoritarian. The unjustified war on Irak being the biggest one imo. They did unconstitutional spying of everyone including American citizen communications, which is already bad enough. But with American policy you got to look at facts, only facts because everything is so biased there. COVID lockdown, which you criticize, what is the state or individual interest ? As far as I know it made people like you angry, not good. Its only benefit was to save lives. The government didn't benefit from it. Trump threatening every tech company to get them to follow his own agenda and donate money, who benefit ? Giving Elon musk who was never elected but also a major tech company leader, who supported him during the election, a strong position into the American administration, who benefit ? Every totalitarian government has to rely on a minor but endoctrined part of the population to be able to sustain itself. I had never heard of the 'proud boys' and like with other candidates, either republicans or democrats. Blaming all the country's failure on a few selected individuals, immigrants currently, in the past century it could have been the Jew or on another continent the kulaks. I mean there is a lot to think of when you're watching trump and open a book about history. Btw there is no moral high ground to have here, it's not a dick competition but 2 people speaking on the internet.

isaacremuant 2y ago

The thing is that you think this only started with Trump and that it wasn't happening with the previous Democrats. It was, you just agreed with the totalitarian state when it went your way. Hopefully you learn, but I doubt it. Trump/Elon bad and all that, right?

aucisson_masque 2y ago
I never said it all started with trump but trump is the current head of government and he is pushing much harder than previous government. I have never seen for instance Biden or Obama close one make fascist salute.
- isaacremuant 2y ago
  > I have never seen for instance Biden or Obama close one make fascist salute I've seen Biden be the most authotarian president of the 3 with his COVID policies (shared by authoritarian govs across the world, and I don't mean Saudi, but France or Canada) but that's definitely supported by partisans. I also saw Obama expand on Bush's war crimes and civil rights erosions with cheers instead of criticisms. But people like you are fixated in alleged symbolism. In looks and form instead of function. Forgive me if I don't take "this difficult times we're living" democrat types seriously when they can consistently criticise governments. You've lost your moral high ground.
  - aucisson_masque 2y ago
    You can't seriously say seriously say that Canada and France are authoritarian government because of COVID lockdown. Even in America, 71% Americans agree it was necessary. https://hsph.harvard.edu/news/poll-majority-of-americans-say-key-covid-19-policies-were-a-good-idea-but-views-of-individual-policies-vary/ https://hsph.harvard.edu/news/poll-majority-of-americans-say... > But people like you are fixated in alleged symbolism. In looks and form instead of function. Don't generalize me because you don't know me, I'm not even American, republican or democrat. Merely an history aficionados with interest in totalitarian government. Some Bush Obama and also Biden decision were arguably bad and authoritarian. The unjustified war on Irak being the biggest one imo. They did unconstitutional spying of everyone including American citizen communications, which is already bad enough. But with American policy you got to look at facts, only facts because everything is so biased there. COVID lockdown, which you criticize, what is the state or individual interest ? As far as I know it made people like you angry, not good. Its only benefit was to save lives. The government didn't benefit from it. Trump threatening every tech company to get them to follow his own agenda and donate money, who benefit ? Giving Elon musk who was never elected but also a major tech company leader, who supported him during the election, a strong position into the American administration, who benefit ? Every totalitarian government has to rely on a minor but endoctrined part of the population to be able to sustain itself. I had never heard of the 'proud boys' and like with other candidates, either republicans or democrats. Blaming all the country's failure on a few selected individuals, immigrants currently, in the past century it could have been the Jew or on another continent the kulaks. I mean there is a lot to think of when you're watching trump and open a book about history. Btw there is no moral high ground to have here, it's not a dick competition but 2 people speaking on the internet.