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Two other Framework announcements: New 12-inch laptop form factor with 360 degree hinge (ie "tablet mode") and a touchscreen. No price announced, but it is aim
by coldpie 2y ago
Two other Framework announcements:
New 12-inch laptop form factor with 360 degree hinge (ie "tablet mode") and a touchscreen. No price announced, but it is aimed at students: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2025/02/frameworks-laptop-12-is-its-first-stab-at-a-budget-convertible-touchscreen-pc/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2025/02/frameworks-laptop-12...
New mainboard upgrade options for Framework 13 models: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2025/02/framework-gives-its-13-inch-laptop-another-boost-with-ryzen-ai-300-cpu-update/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2025/02/framework-gives-its-...
- cosmic_cheese 2y agoReserved one of the updated base model 13’s. Battery life for this gen of Ryzen seems solid in other laptops so I’m hoping it’ll do reasonably well at stretching the FW13’s 61Wh battery for low intensity tasks, particularly in power save mode under Linux.
- yonatan8070 2y agoI really want to get a Framework to replace my aging IdeaPad, but they don't ship to my region yet. I was planning on ordering the 7840U version to where I'm staying in a trip to the US, but now it feels a bit of a let down to order a last-gen model since the new one might not arrive in time for my trip in mid-April.
- tomnipotent 2y agoHave you considered looking into a personal freight forwarder? I used these a few times while traveling through Europe.
- mistercheph 2y agoBe careful with this because framework will not warranty your product in any way, and given their size and age, there is a not insignificant chance you will experience a product defect or failure and have no recourse, love my framework but I experienced a mainboard bricking after a failed firmware update, which framework addressed under warranty. I would caution against buying without a warranty.
- yonatan8070 2y agoI looked into it, but Framework explicitly states that they will cancel orders to freight forwarding addresses.
- delfinom 2y agoI wish they let us get rid of the pointless speakers and get a few more whs of battery instead.
- roxolotl 2y agoI still think very fondly of my 11” MacBook Air. The idea of a 12” framework laptop is very appealing.
- scarlehoff 2y agoSame here. I'm still using my 11" MacBook because it is the only one that fits in my handbag :)
- kbouck 2y agoI had a coat with large side pockets just big enough to fit the 11" air. Not that I would ever use them for that, but it sure felt nice to have the option...
- genewitch 2y agoWhat OS? My air can't upgrade and is out of space with like nothing installed. Curious if still macos or something else, now.
- mgraupner 2y agoYou can upgrade the disk of a MacBook Air with a larger SSD and install newer MacOS versions with https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/ https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/.
- severine 2y agoThanks a lot for that link! I know nothing of Apple stuff and a friend has got an old iMac that he thought was unupdatable but it seems there's a way. Cheers!
- znpy 2y agoUnironically i went looking at 11” MacBook air listings on ebay earlier today. Nowadays i don’t do much heavy computing on my personal laptop and i have an external 34” display anyway. So yeah, a 12” would be very interesting. Also i have fond memories of coding everyday on my 10” netbook when i was 16 :P
- AshamedCaptain 2y agoYet another 1080p garbage screen. Please! I had tablets with higher DPI 10 years ago!
- pcdoodle 2y ago1920x1200 / 16:10. It's perfect for a 12" IMO.
- ge96 2y agoyeah that's tough to get right even on a 14" 1440P is almost too much (problem is scaling, particularly with external monitor and your laptop, depends on OS) I also have a 13.5" 3000x2000 laptop and it uses 200% scaling, fractional is blurry. Initially I was trying to use Ubuntu but the extend monitor scaling was so bad (Chromium, VS Code), just decided to stick with Windows for this device.
- AshamedCaptain 2y agoNo, it is not. It would be perfect for a 6'' phone, maybe. The goal is to have at least double the pixel density, and my 2016 tablet can reach this ( ~2700x1800 at 12'' ). Even Surfaces have been using 1440p at 12'' since 2016, and 2880 x 1920 since 2018! Why would Android & Apple tablets at much smaller screen size have higher DPIs, if 1080p was perfect? Do you expect to put Android tablets closer to your face than x86 tablets for some reason? Sigh... since when has DPI started _decreasing_ again? I refuse to accept this trend, in the same way it was stupid back in the 2000s when LCDs became a thing.
- Tade0 2y ago> Since when has DPI started _decreasing_ again? Since the pandemic. I have a still functioning Galaxy S8 in my drawer, which shames modern phones with its 570ppi density.
- Tijdreiziger 2y agoHaving to render all those pixels drained the battery faster, though. It was more practical to keep it at 1080p.
- ktallett 2y agoThe 12 inch is what I will be considering purchasing as I already have a 13 inch AMD that I am pretty happy with.
- brunoqc 2y agoWould you mainly use the 12 inch one or you like having both?
- ktallett 2y agoI think I would primarily used the 12 inch as I don't personally find the screen space to 13 inches that significant an increase in size and I would find a benefit to having a 2 in 1 that utilises a stylus especially if it works well with Linux. I feel that form factor is better for travelling to and from work as well as on trains and planes. I am not sure if I would keep the 13 inch and use it exclusively indoors or if I will sell it.
- ortusdux 2y agoI wonder if the 12-inch form factor could be modified to support a 360 deg hinge? I enjoyed the Lenovo Yoga's tablet configuration.
- justinsaccount 2y agoIt is a 360 hinge.
- martey 2y agoI know the comment you're replying to called it a "180 degree hinge", but the linked Ars Technica article states that it "flips around to the back with a flexible hinge, a la Lenovo's long-running Yoga design". This is not clear from the pictures in the article, but was on display during the livestreamed event earlier today.
- ortusdux 2y agoGood! Strange that their photos don't show this off. Lenovo ad-spend showcasing tablet mode was enormous. https://frame.work/laptop12 https://frame.work/laptop12
- mlhpdx 2y agoThis is the first time I’ve ever seen a CloudFlare “wait time” screen at “15 minutes”.
- Tijdreiziger 2y agoLooks like their entire website is behind a waiting room at the moment. You’d think they could make their most popular pages static for now and serve them out of the CloudFlare cache, though.
- j45 2y agoMaybe they're outgrowing the free Cloudflare plan.
- tencentshill 2y agoHaving seen how students treat school-provided Chromebooks, those IO modules will get lost and damaged at light speed.
- KeepFlying 2y agoThey're locked in my an internal screw. So they'll at least last a few days.
- kibwen 2y agoThat's what we call a canny business model!
- wasabi991011 2y agoI interpreted "students" to refer to university students. Seems more likely to be Framework's target audience.
- xnxn 2y agoPatel mentioned in the announcement presentation that the device was originally developed with a very clear focus on high school students.
- preisschild 2y agoThey can get screwed down by an internal screw. They explained that for this specific use case in the linustechtips video.
- lillecarl 2y agoThe great thing about IO modules is that if they outer side is damaged you can just replace it
- skykooler 2y agoHere's hoping that touchscreen becomes available as a component for the 13 as well.
- throwaway48476 2y agoThe 12 inch screen is a different aspect ratio so it would be unlikely.
- Tade0 2y agoApparently it comes with an optional stylus, so there might indeed be a touchscreen there. Their website was hugged to death, so I can't confirm.
- lawn 2y agoThey briefly mentioned a new keyboard. I would really like QMK for my framework 13, but alas it was only available for the framework 16...
- lawn 2y agoThe 12-inch laptop might be interesting as a potential upgrade to my remarkable, with the obvious benefit of also being usable as a laptop. I wonder how writing on the touch screen feels?
- ktallett 2y agoI would expect similar to any convertible thinkpad. I personally don't mind it but due to the back light there is a gap between the end of the pen and the line which does affect the experience. If a paperlike film is produced, that would improve the situation.
- jzb 2y agoOh, that's far more interesting to me than the desktop thing. I have a 13" Framework now, but a 12" would be super-nice as a travel laptop -- and the tablet conversion might let me use it as a on-the-go ebook reader.
- bryanhogan 2y agoFor me as well, this sounds much more exciting. A laptop tablet hybrid that I can actually repair would be great. Would use tablet mode for image editing and hand-written notes.
- WillAdams 2y agoSame. I've been looking at a Raspberry Pi 5 paired w/ a Wacom One Gen 2 13 inch screen or a Movink 13 --- will probably stick with that since I prefer Wacom EMR (and have a big investment in it in terms of devices and styluses).
- sounds 2y agoThe desktop is fascinating if AMD can pull off Rocm this round. 128GB of unified memory for only $1,999, but you get an AMD GPU.
- nrp 2y agoDefinitely! ROCm is getting really solid for inference. LM Studio (and therefore the underlying llama.cpp) work out of the box already, and we see AMD pushing forward on PyTorch and other areas rapidly.
- jzb 2y agoWell, different people are fascinated by different things. :) I hope both products are successful, they've been (so far) a force for good in the industry as far as I can tell.
- clayhacks 2y agoI have the framework 16, and ROCm has been driving me nuts. The GPU in the 16 isn’t as meant for AI, but just shockingly bad
- 65 2y agoStill no haptic trackpad!
- nobankai 2y agoYou could mod one into the hardware if you really wanted. The drivers for the Magic Trackpad are pretty much flawless on Linux, you could engineer your own plug-and-play solution with COTS hardware if you found the motivation.
- yellowapple 2y agoWhy would you want haptic trackpads? Having used modern Macbook trackpads they feel like a massive downgrade compared to either of my Frameworks. The vibration-based simulation of haptics feels uncanny and unsatisfying compared to the real deal.
- 65 2y agoWhy would you want a diving board trackpad? Every single non haptic trackpad I've tried always sucks, requiring excessive force to press a button, particularly if you're not on the very bottom of the doving board mechanism of the trackpad.
- zootboy 2y agoAnd here I sit, longing for the days when trackpads had separate, physical buttons underneath them.
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- elxr 2y agoWith diving board trackpads, I usually just tap to click. Physically pressing down a diving board is just asking for frustration. Sometimes I miss the separate left, right, and middle click buttons under the trackpad like the old days.
- forevernoob 2y ago> ...the first Framework Laptop 12 motherboard is going to use Intel's 13th-generation Core i3 and i5 processors I _really_ hope they launch an AMD version (perhaps with an iGPU) soon after that. That and preferably with Libreboot support. This would make it the ideal portable laptop for me and thus I'd be able to (finally!) replace my X220T.
- brunoqc 2y agoWhy would you prefer AMD? price, heat/fan noise?
- aljgz 2y agoI don't know about the GP. I won't buy anything from Intel unless things change dramatically. My last Intel laptop had serious thermal throttling problem that could be completely avoided if Intel cared a bit about users. The one before had some other problems. In past 20 years, anytime I bought (or was given by a company) AMD I was happy, and as time goes by I get less and less happy with Intel.
- forevernoob 2y agoConsidering Intel's track record on hardware vulnerabilities, I'd much rather prefer AMD.
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- WhyNotHugo 2y agoI don’t quite get why framework focuses so much on Intel and AMD. ARM laptops are in the rise, and don’t need active cooling. It’s hard for me to think of upgrading to another laptop with fans when so many fanless (I.e.: silent) options are available.
- sudosysgen 2y agoStrix Point AMD laptop CPUs are just better than non-Apple ARM CPUs across the board, and don't have the whole host of compatibility issues. There isn't really any point to them.
- znpy 2y agoThey are a fairly small company, and going for amd/intel means reaching the widest audience. Linux on arm is very mature, but windows on arm not completely. That being said, other companies could very well develop and sell boards for the frameworks laptop. So much so that iirc sifive did release a risc-v laptop board to use in the frameworks laptop case.
- natebc 2y agoIs Windows on ARM still immature? I'd think with the Microsoft Surface (ARM processors for several years now) that Windows on ARM would be fine but I've never owned or used one so I don't have any anecdotal evidence, just my assumptions.
- kjs3 2y agoMy brother is on the Windows side of the world (MS partner and all that, lots of CRM/DB work). He said if you stick to mainstream apps (MS apps, Adobe, etc) ARM is basically on parity with x86, tho not the performance choice. He said these days he rarely has customers come with support issues that boil down to "bug only occurs on ARM", though "it's slow on ARM" does come up. OTOH...If you have specialty/niche apps that you rely on, or apps from a small dev who doesn't have the resources to support 2 archs, your mileage may vary.
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- samtheDamned 2y agoThis is huge for me. I've wanted a framework for years and got really close to purchasing a 13" but I can't pull myself away from 2 in 1s (or really just any laptop with a touchscreen). The fact that it's going to be budget focused also excites me as a student, I hope that screen quality isn't too compromised.
- rwky 2y agoI like the concept of being able to upgrade the mainboard, the problem I have is that the support needs to come with it. I've had a framework 13" intel 13th gen since September 2023 and it's "mostly" ok. There's a weird battery charging issue where it discharged while plugged in which I raised shortly after getting it and it's still there I've been told to wait for a response. That one I can live with. But for the past few months the CPU gets stuck at 400Mhz and I have to boot into the BIOS and disconnect the battery and power cable to get it to clear which isn't great when I'm in the middle of something important. Support have been prompt and polite but it's been like getting blood out of a stone getting somewhere, from previous experience with other manufacturers it would have been RMA'd by now. I'm not writing them off yet but I'm not filled with confidence. On the plus side I'm hoping that it's the existence of framework that have convinced lenovo to stop soldering components in their new laptops, that's what put me off buying one and why I went with a framework.
- snapplebobapple 2y agoThat stuff is mostly fixed on the AMD stuff (I've owned every model of framework 13 and the framework 16 now), which makes me cautiously optimistic for the future. I think you still have to approach them as an ideals company working hard to become an actual company, which is why I don't buy their stuff for work anymore but buy it all day long for personal use. For work I can get a lenovo with similar specs and often a better OLED screen with a 3 year next day on site support contract for the price of the assembled frameworks usually. For home I prefer to self support and I greatly appreciate the speed at which their parts ship and the reasonable prices, plus with the DIY discount it's closer to price competitive. I think with the 16 I have now and I hope with the 13 refresh they just announced the problems stay away broadly and I can say they are an ideals company that is also an actual company but I need another year of use to feel comfortable with that statement.
- rwky 2y agoWell now I've given up, they've told me I need to buy a new mainboard because it's "out of warranty" which is crap since I've been complaining about it since I bought it.