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Interestingly, there is a drug call datura, a beautiful white flower you can find all over suburbia, whose seeds when drank in a tea are an extremely powerful d

Interestingly, there is a drug call datura, a beautiful white flower you can find all over suburbia, whose seeds when drank in a tea are an extremely powerful deliriant. If you read the trip reports of it (which are pretty fascinating tbh) you notice a common trend of people hallucinating that they are smoking a cigarette, and then they drop it, only to search around and be unable to find it. This is usually one of the first tip-offs they have that something is happening before they totally get lost in the void. Really fascinating how many people on there had this same common experience while taking datura specifically.

buildsjets 2y ago
Absolutely no one should even be entertaining the thought of experimenting with datura without first performing in-depth research, and having come to an understanding and acceptance that the result may likely be a multi-week violent psychotic/deleric episode culminating in involuntary hospitalization or incarceration. I have NEVER heard of anyone having an enjoyable experience with this substance, and I've been around for a while.
- Workaccount2 2y ago
  I meant to add that at the end. Like you said, basically no one ever has a good time on this drug. The trip reports seem to be almost entirely kids looking for a free high, and virtually no one who knows what they are doing purposely taking it.
- LoganDark 2y ago
  i think it's probably bad that this made me more curious i think someone in my head wants to try it even if it's universally unpleasant edit: jk i read literally anything about what the experience is actually like and i don't know if i feel like boiling the body with dehydration that bad, and apparently the other way you know it's working is that your mouth and throat get so dry that it becomes impossible to swallow food without choking
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- filoeleven 2y ago
  The difference between an effective dose and a damaging or deadly dose is also pretty small IIRC. Between that and the stories of "I had no idea what was real and what was not for three days," it's a hard pass for me. There doesn't seem to be any insight to be gained from its use, or even recreational entertainment.
NoThisIsMe 2y ago
It's a deliriant, not a disassociative. Worth mentioning the trip is said to be deeply unpleasant, and also the plant is poisonous. But yeah I too find it interesting how a drug can seemingly yield the same specific hallucination in different people. See also spiders and DPH (another deliriant).
- Workaccount2 2y ago
  Ah yes, thanks, my mistake
- wave-function 2y ago
  Spiders are also a recurring theme among amantadine users: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amantadine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amantadine It was very easy to buy in Russia and neighboring countries up until 2012 or so. I've never used it (chickened out of trying out something like that), but there are tons of stories from more adventurous people.
neom 2y ago
Salvia turns people into zippers and books, sometimes door knobs.
- jajko 2y ago
  Ha, thats sort of my experience too. Or often like looking through paper roll or grooved gun barrel which keeps twisting on subspace level. Or Van Gogh' Starry night pattern. Good thing is salvia is very short acting, maybe 5-10 mins for me and intensity is somewhere around mushrooms. But I talk about at least 10x extracts, raw one is just tons of very biting smoke and comparatively little effect. The kick is literally within seconds, I barely managed to put down bong after a single hit and was flying away.
  - neom 2y ago
    It's one of the few I've not tried. Personally I believe all the psychoactive plants are tools with distinct purposes (to be prescribed if you will) - salvia is the one that I'm not sure what it should be used for, I guess it's a good tool to show very literally that everything is everything, that seems to be what it basically does?
    - temp0826 2y ago
      The more traditional way to use it is to chew on leaves, which is a far less intense and slower way to use it. Probably the approach you'd take if you wanted to get something useful out of the experience.
    - tsol 2y ago
      Traditionally you chew the leaves and experience a moderate antidepressant effect. Apparently traditional practioners are somewhat appalled at the idea that people would smoke it to trip. I'm not sure if there really is any utility at high doses
- shlant 2y ago
  my most uncomfortable salvia experience definitely felt like my whole body was being unzipped and folded back in on itself
wave-function 2y ago
When the Soviet Union fell, lots of military first-aid kits escaped in the wild. Some of them (small plastic ones colored in bright orange IIRC) contained this thing: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Апрофен https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Апрофен (sorry, you'll have to rely on Google Translate, there's very little info on it in English) It's a powerful anticholinergic agent used to treat poisoning by organophosphorus compounds (like Sarin). Like many other anticholinergics (including Datura), if taken without first actually experiencing the poisoning, it results in a deep delirium with complete loss of control over one's actions. There are lots of interesting/disturbing stories out there on the internet, most of them written in late 1990s to early 2000s before all the stockpiles had been found and used up.
gosub100 2y ago
A friend-of-a-friend took it and did the same thing. He was pinching his fingers in the blades of grass and putting them to his lips in a smoking motion. Then he ran straight into a wooden fence and took down the entire panel. Nothing about datura is good, nobody has ever had a good trip with it. Stay away.
immodestmouse 2y ago
Take my word for it, Datura and Dramamine aren't worth fucking with. If you are determined not to take my word for it, Dramamine is pretty similar and a lot safer. Take too much Datura and you're dead. How much is too much? It's very difficult to know, because it varies plant to plant. I'm sure you can die from taking too much Dramamine, but at least you can accurately gauge the dose. Nothing I ever experienced on these drugs was interesting or enlightening. Some of it was horrifying. Typically I ended up curled up in a ball waiting for the madness to end (which took hours). 0/10 would not try again. Reliable source of bad trips.
- aeve890 2y ago
  >Take my word for it, Datura and Dramamine aren't worth fucking with. If you are determined not to take my word for it, Dramamine is pretty similar and a lot safer. Dramamine the over-the-counter medicine to treat nausea and motion sickness?
  - morserer 2y ago
    That's the one. You can get all kinds of (very questionable) highs from tons of OTC drugs: diphenhydramine (benadryl/zzzquil), dextromethorphan (Robitussin), doxylamine (NyQuil)...
    - scns 2y ago
      Dextromethorphan is sometimes combined with Paracetamol where an overdose can kill you.
    - hyperdimension 2y ago
      Diphenhydramine/Benadryl is extremely effective if you're looking to be permanently thirsty with a side of terrifying thoughts.
borgdefenser 2y ago
Datura is not a drug, it is the flower. The drug is scopolamine and atropine that datura contains. I think I have read every trip report on erowid related to tropanes.I find them incredibly fascinating. What stands out most to me is I can't think of even a single one I read that the person sounded like they had a good experience. They are all pretty dark because your body knows it is being literally poisoned.
el_nahual 2y ago
Datura is an interesting example that proves that what makes drugs criminalized is not their potential for damage, but rather their potential for fun. Datura can (and I'm sure does) fuck you up permanently. It's perfectly legal. MDMA is far safer, but far more fun, and so illegal. Alcohol is interesting in this context. Kind of fun, kind of dangerous. In other words, what the govt is trying to minimize is not harm, but rather "incidence of mind-altered states" which reduces to "criminalize those substances that are so unambiguously delightful that if they were legal people would take them all the time, regardless of danger, risk, or health effects." This also explains why psychiatric medicine sucks: it's not allowed to be fun! If it were fun, it would be prone to "abuse" (read: recreational usage). That results in an entire class of treatments being disallowed, and makes available only those where the side effects (constipation, brain fog, loss of libido, etc) are of greater magnitude then any mood-altering effects.

buildsjets 2y ago

Absolutely no one should even be entertaining the thought of experimenting with datura without first performing in-depth research, and having come to an understanding and acceptance that the result may likely be a multi-week violent psychotic/deleric episode culminating in involuntary hospitalization or incarceration. I have NEVER heard of anyone having an enjoyable experience with this substance, and I've been around for a while.

Workaccount2 2y ago
I meant to add that at the end. Like you said, basically no one ever has a good time on this drug. The trip reports seem to be almost entirely kids looking for a free high, and virtually no one who knows what they are doing purposely taking it.
LoganDark 2y ago
i think it's probably bad that this made me more curious i think someone in my head wants to try it even if it's universally unpleasant edit: jk i read literally anything about what the experience is actually like and i don't know if i feel like boiling the body with dehydration that bad, and apparently the other way you know it's working is that your mouth and throat get so dry that it becomes impossible to swallow food without choking
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filoeleven 2y ago
The difference between an effective dose and a damaging or deadly dose is also pretty small IIRC. Between that and the stories of "I had no idea what was real and what was not for three days," it's a hard pass for me. There doesn't seem to be any insight to be gained from its use, or even recreational entertainment.

NoThisIsMe 2y ago

It's a deliriant, not a disassociative. Worth mentioning the trip is said to be deeply unpleasant, and also the plant is poisonous. But yeah I too find it interesting how a drug can seemingly yield the same specific hallucination in different people. See also spiders and DPH (another deliriant).

Workaccount2 2y ago
Ah yes, thanks, my mistake
wave-function 2y ago
Spiders are also a recurring theme among amantadine users: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amantadine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amantadine It was very easy to buy in Russia and neighboring countries up until 2012 or so. I've never used it (chickened out of trying out something like that), but there are tons of stories from more adventurous people.

neom 2y ago

Salvia turns people into zippers and books, sometimes door knobs.

jajko 2y ago
Ha, thats sort of my experience too. Or often like looking through paper roll or grooved gun barrel which keeps twisting on subspace level. Or Van Gogh' Starry night pattern. Good thing is salvia is very short acting, maybe 5-10 mins for me and intensity is somewhere around mushrooms. But I talk about at least 10x extracts, raw one is just tons of very biting smoke and comparatively little effect. The kick is literally within seconds, I barely managed to put down bong after a single hit and was flying away.
- neom 2y ago
  It's one of the few I've not tried. Personally I believe all the psychoactive plants are tools with distinct purposes (to be prescribed if you will) - salvia is the one that I'm not sure what it should be used for, I guess it's a good tool to show very literally that everything is everything, that seems to be what it basically does?
  - temp0826 2y ago
    The more traditional way to use it is to chew on leaves, which is a far less intense and slower way to use it. Probably the approach you'd take if you wanted to get something useful out of the experience.
  - tsol 2y ago
    Traditionally you chew the leaves and experience a moderate antidepressant effect. Apparently traditional practioners are somewhat appalled at the idea that people would smoke it to trip. I'm not sure if there really is any utility at high doses
shlant 2y ago
my most uncomfortable salvia experience definitely felt like my whole body was being unzipped and folded back in on itself

wave-function 2y ago

When the Soviet Union fell, lots of military first-aid kits escaped in the wild. Some of them (small plastic ones colored in bright orange IIRC) contained this thing: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Апрофен https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Апрофен (sorry, you'll have to rely on Google Translate, there's very little info on it in English) It's a powerful anticholinergic agent used to treat poisoning by organophosphorus compounds (like Sarin). Like many other anticholinergics (including Datura), if taken without first actually experiencing the poisoning, it results in a deep delirium with complete loss of control over one's actions. There are lots of interesting/disturbing stories out there on the internet, most of them written in late 1990s to early 2000s before all the stockpiles had been found and used up.

gosub100 2y ago

A friend-of-a-friend took it and did the same thing. He was pinching his fingers in the blades of grass and putting them to his lips in a smoking motion. Then he ran straight into a wooden fence and took down the entire panel. Nothing about datura is good, nobody has ever had a good trip with it. Stay away.

immodestmouse 2y ago

Take my word for it, Datura and Dramamine aren't worth fucking with. If you are determined not to take my word for it, Dramamine is pretty similar and a lot safer. Take too much Datura and you're dead. How much is too much? It's very difficult to know, because it varies plant to plant. I'm sure you can die from taking too much Dramamine, but at least you can accurately gauge the dose. Nothing I ever experienced on these drugs was interesting or enlightening. Some of it was horrifying. Typically I ended up curled up in a ball waiting for the madness to end (which took hours). 0/10 would not try again. Reliable source of bad trips.

aeve890 2y ago
>Take my word for it, Datura and Dramamine aren't worth fucking with. If you are determined not to take my word for it, Dramamine is pretty similar and a lot safer. Dramamine the over-the-counter medicine to treat nausea and motion sickness?
- morserer 2y ago
  That's the one. You can get all kinds of (very questionable) highs from tons of OTC drugs: diphenhydramine (benadryl/zzzquil), dextromethorphan (Robitussin), doxylamine (NyQuil)...
  - scns 2y ago
    Dextromethorphan is sometimes combined with Paracetamol where an overdose can kill you.
  - hyperdimension 2y ago
    Diphenhydramine/Benadryl is extremely effective if you're looking to be permanently thirsty with a side of terrifying thoughts.

borgdefenser 2y ago

Datura is not a drug, it is the flower. The drug is scopolamine and atropine that datura contains. I think I have read every trip report on erowid related to tropanes.I find them incredibly fascinating. What stands out most to me is I can't think of even a single one I read that the person sounded like they had a good experience. They are all pretty dark because your body knows it is being literally poisoned.

el_nahual 2y ago

Datura is an interesting example that proves that what makes drugs criminalized is not their potential for damage, but rather their potential for fun. Datura can (and I'm sure does) fuck you up permanently. It's perfectly legal. MDMA is far safer, but far more fun, and so illegal. Alcohol is interesting in this context. Kind of fun, kind of dangerous. In other words, what the govt is trying to minimize is not harm, but rather "incidence of mind-altered states" which reduces to "criminalize those substances that are so unambiguously delightful that if they were legal people would take them all the time, regardless of danger, risk, or health effects." This also explains why psychiatric medicine sucks: it's not allowed to be fun! If it were fun, it would be prone to "abuse" (read: recreational usage). That results in an entire class of treatments being disallowed, and makes available only those where the side effects (constipation, brain fog, loss of libido, etc) are of greater magnitude then any mood-altering effects.