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Have no idea what variant of LSD I last consumed, but I remember some deep feelings of profound thoughts and self-reflection quite almost instantly when the stu

Have no idea what variant of LSD I last consumed, but I remember some deep feelings of profound thoughts and self-reflection quite almost instantly when the stuff "hit" (maybe 30-45 minutes after ingestion), I was still cognizant enough to be able to write it all down. Some of what I wrote was indeed stuff I needed to work on in my own life and it was pretty helpful. I then spent the next like 12 hours on my couch realizing that the entire concept of time is a manmade construct that is absolutely meaningless and irrelevant in the grand scheme of the universe. All this while watching golf on TV (which followed a golfer who posted the lowest final round score ever at a major). I have no idea how the TV turned on, and why I didn't turn it off. LSD is fucking wild.

ghfhghg 2y ago
Did you make this same post before? I swear I've already read this a couple months ago. Edit : putting this into Google does indeed show the same post from before this thread was created. Weird
BobbyTables2 2y ago
I think watching golf on TV would make time seem pretty meaningless for a lot of people too!
- uwagar 2y ago
  i like the quiet vibes in general
westmeal 2y ago
Sometimes it just hits in such a way that you have no idea wtf is happening. One time I couldn't read because letters just didn't have meaning any more. It looked like alien unicode characters or some shit.
- guardian5x 2y ago
  Isn't that kinda scary? I mean when some parts of your brains don't work or not work properly?
  - Traubenfuchs 2y ago
    Depends on your attitude. I consider life and reality incredibly, painfully boring. That's why I LOVE alternate states of mind, even if they are scary. Nothing excites me more than the prospect of feeling thing and seeing things I have not experienced before.
    - LoganDark 2y ago
      > Nothing excites me more than the prospect of feeling thing and seeing things I have not experienced before. absolutely same
    - monktastic1 2y ago
      > I consider life and reality incredibly, painfully boring. Interesting. The main benefit I've gotten from psychedelics (mostly mushrooms) is that all of life / reality is impossibly miraculous -- even, paradoxically, when it seems dreadfully boring. And also that I've somehow always known this, even when it feels like I've forgotten. It's always right there, just waiting (begging) to be noticed. It's the ultimate cosmic joke.
      - chrisweekly 2y ago
        +1 Insightful Also, your website (https://www.lifeismiraculous.org https://www.lifeismiraculous.org) is awesome. Echoes of Bertrand Tolle and Alan Watts. Thanks for publishing it and putting it in your profile!
      - ForTheKidz 2y ago
        This framing never made much sense to me. It's incredible to be alive at all of course, but miraculous compared to what? I've found it best in these situations to quietly appreciate rather than trying to reify some ontology for contemplation—which is, after all, a distraction from appreciation itself in the moment, something largely akin to meditation. The easiest way to experience some of the feelings you get from tripping is, in fact, meditation. The LSD mostly just forces you to be more honest with yourself by smashing barriers you would normally dismantle through allowing your mind to rest. Granted, I've never experienced anything like eg a blurring of the sense of self with meditation. Theoretically it's possible. Maybe I'm just too content with myself to pursue it.
- Traubenfuchs 2y ago
  > It looked like alien unicode characters or some shit. That's how my iPhone keyboard looked when I took a moderate amount of shrooms. It was weird, I could still think and talk coherently, but the keyboard was an incrophensible, vibrating, round, green-energy-sparks-decorated mess.
  - stuaxo 2y ago
    Heh, yes I remember something similar with an old Nokia.
  - coffeebeqn 2y ago
    That happened to me as well. Pretty cool effect. I also remember trying to order “human food” off my phone but couldn’t figure out what anything on the app was
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ctrlp 2y ago
That sounds pretty amazing. What a metaphor that is. Hope you fully recovered but kept some valuable mental souvenirs from your trip. I do think people underestimate the dangers of LSD. It's amazing but I've known people who permanently injured their cognitive capacities using it.
raducu 2y ago
> deep feelings of profound thoughts. I remember dreaming about profound answers and equations about everything and being extatic in my dreams in uni. Then I woke up and wrote down what I dreamt and realize it was just garbage :). The same this one time I was traveling with friends and bought some very dubious hashish and smoked it and I got incredible visuals where I could see, open-eye a matrix of videos starting from a common theme and all evolving differently. I could see visual kernels of ideas and how they all worked together. But at that time I was very interested in variational autoencoders, so after the effects wore off, I realized the experience was just like the deep realization of the dreams -- utterly meningless and just a hallucination that felt profound in the moment.
- devmor 2y ago
  I had similar experiences the first time I tried a recreational drug - it was with my father and we watched Nova on PBS. We spent hours convinced we had novel theories on spacetime and wrote them down, believing we had stumbled upon revolutionary scientific insight. When we reviewed them in the morning they were absolute nonsense!
  - anonym29 2y ago
    I believe it is a misapplication of entheogens to try solving "IQ problems" with them. I've found them to be incredibly valuable for personal development and solving "EQ problems" - the kind that my sober mind didn't ordinarily process much at all by default, being on the autism spectrum. Psychedelics for me allowed me to become intensely aware and attuned to the emotional and psychological state of others and allows me to imagine myself in their shoes and empathize with their struggles in life (even if entirely unrelated to anything I've ever personally experienced). This altered state of mind introduced me to an entirely new way of thinking that had led to me being a kinder, more compassionate, more considerate, more socially capable person in a persistent, lasting way that has long outlived the psychoactive effects of the psychedelics. Psychedelic culture has this notion of "reintegration", where in the week(s) after a trip it can take some time to fully internalize the epiphanies and lessons from the trip. During my first reintegration, I realized that I kinda used to interact with everyone in the world in a manner roughly analogous to really advanced NPCs in a role playing game I was forced into called life, and had no realization that I was doing this and lacked full appreciation for the depth of other people as human beings for the first quarter century and change of my life. Accordingly, I see psychedelics as a profound tool of interpersonal growth and development, but never the kind of thing I'd take to try solving a vexing technical problem - that's a different job that takes a different tool. PS to anyone else reading: this should not be taken as an endorsement or recommendation for anyone to attempt to procure and use psychedelics. There are serious mental health risks involved for vulnerable populations, risks of contaminated or laced products if procured from untrustworthy or disreputable sources, and more. If you are unsure of whether you're a part of certain vulnerable populations, I'd urge you to consult with a qualified, licensed therapist or mental healthcare provider to get a less-biased second opinion on whether or not you're at elevated risk, just to be sure, but remember this is just one of several risks.
nthingtohide 2y ago
Artists put themselves through various experiences (sometimes extreme) to portray the ineffable through abstract art. Works at both personal and societal level https://youtu.be/A9gYgHkizSI https://youtu.be/A9gYgHkizSI
pockmarked19 2y ago
> entire concept of time “Entire” concept is stretching it, causality and entropy are not man made. If you want to look at ideas people made up that have way too much influence on our lives, you need look no further than your wallet.
- y33t 2y ago
  I'd say causality and entropy are contingent on the (very compelling) assumption that time is real. We could be Boltzmann Brains, or something even weirder. Do I believe that the world is terribly different from what it appears to be? No, but ultimately our perceptions of the world are merely representation held in our minds.
  - TheOtherHobbes 2y ago
    We could be Boltzmann Brains on drugs. Or worse. Presumably the probability of a brain appearing as a disordered psychiatric monster is far higher than the probability of arriving as an Earth-normal tenured cosmologist.
- whatnow37373 2y ago
  > causality and entropy are not man made Given that we fundamentally depend on our own, very human, sensory and cognitive apparatus to make any kind of judgement I have a hard time imagining a proof or even a convincing argument of this without falling back on “it’s obvious” (etc). Yes, I am being obtuse. Sorry about that. Just for the record.
- fooker 2y ago
  If you could prove the bit about causality you'll get a Nobel prize or two. As that would definitively declare that there's no going back in time, there's no negative mass, and perhaps philosophically--theres no free will.
- _hark 2y ago
  Entropy is not absolute! The entropy of some data is well-defined with respect to a model, but the model choice is free. I.e. different models will assign different entropy to the same data. And how do we choose a model...? Well, formally by minimizing the information needed to describe both the model and data (the sum of model complexity and data entropy under the model) [1] You might argue that's all too information-theoretic and in physics there simply is an objective count of the state-space, a maximum entropy, and so on. Alas, there is not even general consensus on whether there is a locally finite number of degrees of freedom. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_description_length https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_description_length
renewiltord 2y ago
This is baffling to me. I recall this comment from the last week but it currently reads "4 hours ago". Algolia also shows it posted "4 days ago". Some sort of reposting functionality? Considering the topic, it made me consider if I was having intense deja vu.
- chippy 2y ago
  this was posted a few days ago. Submissions get second chances and their timestamps are updated. this says 4 days ago: https://hn.algolia.com/?query=What%20do%20people%20see%20when%20they%27re%20tripping%3F%20Analyzing%20Erowid%27s%20trip%20reports&type=story&dateRange=all&sort=byDate&storyText=false&prefix&page=0 https://hn.algolia.com/?query=What%20do%20people%20see%20whe...
  - renewiltord 2y ago
    I didn't realize they rewrite comment timestamps.
- yard2010 2y ago
  Now how much exactly did you take?
ProjectArcturis 2y ago
There aren't really "varieties" of LSD. There's one chemical structure that is LSD. There are a couple related chemicals that are also hallucinogenic (e.g. LSA), but they have much lower potency. Having even 50% of a standard LSD dose contaminated with these related chemicals would really just feel like weak (low dose) LSD. Mindset, setting, and dose are the main variables that determine the trip experience.
- sleepybrett 2y ago
  It depends on your source. There are several psychedelics that get sold as others because their effects are very similar. A little harder to do with LSD as it's dosing is so tiny. But there are apparently some: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14855929 https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/1485592...
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- xfeeefeee 2y ago
  There are absolutely varieties of lsd, especially nowadays with the legal analogues like 1v-lsd (Valerie) and 1p-lsd which are sometimes more common than the original. Though I agree that set and setting are extremely important
  - Synaesthesia 2y ago
    Yeah but they're quite similar. LSD trips just vary a lot naturally, all kinds of things can happen on them.
    - pineaux 2y ago
      Like taking quite a high dose, having no visuals, no interesting thoughts just an endless itch in the throat, that gets progressively worse and worse until it consumes you completely. Haha
- crucialfelix 2y ago
FollowingTheDao 2y ago
> I then spent the next like 12 hours on my couch realizing that the entire concept of time is a manmade construct that is absolutely meaningless and irrelevant in the grand scheme of the universe. People knew this already without taking LSD. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ka9Tc9eRUzU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ka9Tc9eRUzU But try having LSD in your brain at random moments and you never know when it is going to happen. That is my life with a mental illness.
- dmos62 2y ago
  Interesting. How has it influenced your life, do you think?
  - FollowingTheDao 2y ago
    Very creative, and spiritual. At first I was making bank, almost $190k a year, but now I am homeless living in a minivan. I am free however, more free than some of the richest people I know, which I think is the best outcome. It made me realize that most people do not like creative people because we do not reactivity prop up their paradigms.
    - dmos62 2y ago
      Awesome. What are you doing for creativity these days?
sosodev 2y ago
Does relativity mean that time is not just a human construct? It’s hard to believe it is irrelevant when we have discovered special behaviors that are part the fabric of reality.
Uptrenda 2y ago
When I see posts like this I wonder if taking these drugs permanently alters ones conception of reality whether a person wants that or not. For example, if a person who has never taken LSD before reads the sentence "the entire concept of time is manmade [...]" they take that as kind of an abstract philosophy. The kind where someone might chuckle, roll their eyes, and say "yeah, sure thing man". But there's a huge difference between that and experiencing it, and then subsequently knowing it. The realizations you get on LSD are absurd. Yet, can end up being true statements that would almost never be believed otherwise. You could probably end up with the same conclusions if you thought about these related topics enough. But that would end up being similar to some beliefs talked about in certain spiritual practices. So its almost like if you take LSD you end up downloading that knowledge instantly which is bizarre to think about.
- Swizec 2y ago
  > "the entire concept of time is manmade [...]" they take that as kind of an abstract philosophy. The kind where someone might chuckle, roll their eyes, and say "yeah, sure thing man". Probably every teenager with enough free time to think has had this realization. The trick is what do you do about it? Manmade or not, time is a useful construct. You might as well use it. Even if deep down you know it’s just a convention, you still gotta live in society and coordinate with others. A shared understanding of time makes this easier.
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johnisgood 2y ago
I only experienced visual distortions, and I felt like a child who just came to this Earth. I grabbed objects as a curious child. I had much more self-reflection on shrooms, as LSD is too stimmy for me.

ghfhghg 2y ago

Did you make this same post before? I swear I've already read this a couple months ago. Edit : putting this into Google does indeed show the same post from before this thread was created. Weird

BobbyTables2 2y ago

I think watching golf on TV would make time seem pretty meaningless for a lot of people too!

uwagar 2y ago
i like the quiet vibes in general

westmeal 2y ago

Sometimes it just hits in such a way that you have no idea wtf is happening. One time I couldn't read because letters just didn't have meaning any more. It looked like alien unicode characters or some shit.

guardian5x 2y ago
Isn't that kinda scary? I mean when some parts of your brains don't work or not work properly?
- Traubenfuchs 2y ago
  Depends on your attitude. I consider life and reality incredibly, painfully boring. That's why I LOVE alternate states of mind, even if they are scary. Nothing excites me more than the prospect of feeling thing and seeing things I have not experienced before.
  - LoganDark 2y ago
    > Nothing excites me more than the prospect of feeling thing and seeing things I have not experienced before. absolutely same
  - monktastic1 2y ago
    > I consider life and reality incredibly, painfully boring. Interesting. The main benefit I've gotten from psychedelics (mostly mushrooms) is that all of life / reality is impossibly miraculous -- even, paradoxically, when it seems dreadfully boring. And also that I've somehow always known this, even when it feels like I've forgotten. It's always right there, just waiting (begging) to be noticed. It's the ultimate cosmic joke.
    - chrisweekly 2y ago
      +1 Insightful Also, your website (https://www.lifeismiraculous.org https://www.lifeismiraculous.org) is awesome. Echoes of Bertrand Tolle and Alan Watts. Thanks for publishing it and putting it in your profile!
    - ForTheKidz 2y ago
      This framing never made much sense to me. It's incredible to be alive at all of course, but miraculous compared to what? I've found it best in these situations to quietly appreciate rather than trying to reify some ontology for contemplation—which is, after all, a distraction from appreciation itself in the moment, something largely akin to meditation. The easiest way to experience some of the feelings you get from tripping is, in fact, meditation. The LSD mostly just forces you to be more honest with yourself by smashing barriers you would normally dismantle through allowing your mind to rest. Granted, I've never experienced anything like eg a blurring of the sense of self with meditation. Theoretically it's possible. Maybe I'm just too content with myself to pursue it.
Traubenfuchs 2y ago
> It looked like alien unicode characters or some shit. That's how my iPhone keyboard looked when I took a moderate amount of shrooms. It was weird, I could still think and talk coherently, but the keyboard was an incrophensible, vibrating, round, green-energy-sparks-decorated mess.
- stuaxo 2y ago
  Heh, yes I remember something similar with an old Nokia.
- coffeebeqn 2y ago
  That happened to me as well. Pretty cool effect. I also remember trying to order “human food” off my phone but couldn’t figure out what anything on the app was

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ctrlp 2y ago

That sounds pretty amazing. What a metaphor that is. Hope you fully recovered but kept some valuable mental souvenirs from your trip. I do think people underestimate the dangers of LSD. It's amazing but I've known people who permanently injured their cognitive capacities using it.

raducu 2y ago

> deep feelings of profound thoughts. I remember dreaming about profound answers and equations about everything and being extatic in my dreams in uni. Then I woke up and wrote down what I dreamt and realize it was just garbage :). The same this one time I was traveling with friends and bought some very dubious hashish and smoked it and I got incredible visuals where I could see, open-eye a matrix of videos starting from a common theme and all evolving differently. I could see visual kernels of ideas and how they all worked together. But at that time I was very interested in variational autoencoders, so after the effects wore off, I realized the experience was just like the deep realization of the dreams -- utterly meningless and just a hallucination that felt profound in the moment.

devmor 2y ago
I had similar experiences the first time I tried a recreational drug - it was with my father and we watched Nova on PBS. We spent hours convinced we had novel theories on spacetime and wrote them down, believing we had stumbled upon revolutionary scientific insight. When we reviewed them in the morning they were absolute nonsense!
- anonym29 2y ago
  I believe it is a misapplication of entheogens to try solving "IQ problems" with them. I've found them to be incredibly valuable for personal development and solving "EQ problems" - the kind that my sober mind didn't ordinarily process much at all by default, being on the autism spectrum. Psychedelics for me allowed me to become intensely aware and attuned to the emotional and psychological state of others and allows me to imagine myself in their shoes and empathize with their struggles in life (even if entirely unrelated to anything I've ever personally experienced). This altered state of mind introduced me to an entirely new way of thinking that had led to me being a kinder, more compassionate, more considerate, more socially capable person in a persistent, lasting way that has long outlived the psychoactive effects of the psychedelics. Psychedelic culture has this notion of "reintegration", where in the week(s) after a trip it can take some time to fully internalize the epiphanies and lessons from the trip. During my first reintegration, I realized that I kinda used to interact with everyone in the world in a manner roughly analogous to really advanced NPCs in a role playing game I was forced into called life, and had no realization that I was doing this and lacked full appreciation for the depth of other people as human beings for the first quarter century and change of my life. Accordingly, I see psychedelics as a profound tool of interpersonal growth and development, but never the kind of thing I'd take to try solving a vexing technical problem - that's a different job that takes a different tool. PS to anyone else reading: this should not be taken as an endorsement or recommendation for anyone to attempt to procure and use psychedelics. There are serious mental health risks involved for vulnerable populations, risks of contaminated or laced products if procured from untrustworthy or disreputable sources, and more. If you are unsure of whether you're a part of certain vulnerable populations, I'd urge you to consult with a qualified, licensed therapist or mental healthcare provider to get a less-biased second opinion on whether or not you're at elevated risk, just to be sure, but remember this is just one of several risks.

nthingtohide 2y ago

Artists put themselves through various experiences (sometimes extreme) to portray the ineffable through abstract art. Works at both personal and societal level https://youtu.be/A9gYgHkizSI https://youtu.be/A9gYgHkizSI

pockmarked19 2y ago

> entire concept of time “Entire” concept is stretching it, causality and entropy are not man made. If you want to look at ideas people made up that have way too much influence on our lives, you need look no further than your wallet.

y33t 2y ago
I'd say causality and entropy are contingent on the (very compelling) assumption that time is real. We could be Boltzmann Brains, or something even weirder. Do I believe that the world is terribly different from what it appears to be? No, but ultimately our perceptions of the world are merely representation held in our minds.
- TheOtherHobbes 2y ago
  We could be Boltzmann Brains on drugs. Or worse. Presumably the probability of a brain appearing as a disordered psychiatric monster is far higher than the probability of arriving as an Earth-normal tenured cosmologist.
whatnow37373 2y ago
> causality and entropy are not man made Given that we fundamentally depend on our own, very human, sensory and cognitive apparatus to make any kind of judgement I have a hard time imagining a proof or even a convincing argument of this without falling back on “it’s obvious” (etc). Yes, I am being obtuse. Sorry about that. Just for the record.
fooker 2y ago
If you could prove the bit about causality you'll get a Nobel prize or two. As that would definitively declare that there's no going back in time, there's no negative mass, and perhaps philosophically--theres no free will.
_hark 2y ago
Entropy is not absolute! The entropy of some data is well-defined with respect to a model, but the model choice is free. I.e. different models will assign different entropy to the same data. And how do we choose a model...? Well, formally by minimizing the information needed to describe both the model and data (the sum of model complexity and data entropy under the model) [1] You might argue that's all too information-theoretic and in physics there simply is an objective count of the state-space, a maximum entropy, and so on. Alas, there is not even general consensus on whether there is a locally finite number of degrees of freedom. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_description_length https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_description_length

renewiltord 2y ago

This is baffling to me. I recall this comment from the last week but it currently reads "4 hours ago". Algolia also shows it posted "4 days ago". Some sort of reposting functionality? Considering the topic, it made me consider if I was having intense deja vu.

chippy 2y ago
this was posted a few days ago. Submissions get second chances and their timestamps are updated. this says 4 days ago: https://hn.algolia.com/?query=What%20do%20people%20see%20when%20they%27re%20tripping%3F%20Analyzing%20Erowid%27s%20trip%20reports&type=story&dateRange=all&sort=byDate&storyText=false&prefix&page=0 https://hn.algolia.com/?query=What%20do%20people%20see%20whe...
- renewiltord 2y ago
  I didn't realize they rewrite comment timestamps.
yard2010 2y ago
Now how much exactly did you take?

ProjectArcturis 2y ago

There aren't really "varieties" of LSD. There's one chemical structure that is LSD. There are a couple related chemicals that are also hallucinogenic (e.g. LSA), but they have much lower potency. Having even 50% of a standard LSD dose contaminated with these related chemicals would really just feel like weak (low dose) LSD. Mindset, setting, and dose are the main variables that determine the trip experience.

sleepybrett 2y ago
It depends on your source. There are several psychedelics that get sold as others because their effects are very similar. A little harder to do with LSD as it's dosing is so tiny. But there are apparently some: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14855929 https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/1485592...
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xfeeefeee 2y ago
There are absolutely varieties of lsd, especially nowadays with the legal analogues like 1v-lsd (Valerie) and 1p-lsd which are sometimes more common than the original. Though I agree that set and setting are extremely important
- Synaesthesia 2y ago
  Yeah but they're quite similar. LSD trips just vary a lot naturally, all kinds of things can happen on them.
  - pineaux 2y ago
    Like taking quite a high dose, having no visuals, no interesting thoughts just an endless itch in the throat, that gets progressively worse and worse until it consumes you completely. Haha
crucialfelix 2y ago

FollowingTheDao 2y ago

> I then spent the next like 12 hours on my couch realizing that the entire concept of time is a manmade construct that is absolutely meaningless and irrelevant in the grand scheme of the universe. People knew this already without taking LSD. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ka9Tc9eRUzU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ka9Tc9eRUzU But try having LSD in your brain at random moments and you never know when it is going to happen. That is my life with a mental illness.

dmos62 2y ago
Interesting. How has it influenced your life, do you think?
- FollowingTheDao 2y ago
  Very creative, and spiritual. At first I was making bank, almost $190k a year, but now I am homeless living in a minivan. I am free however, more free than some of the richest people I know, which I think is the best outcome. It made me realize that most people do not like creative people because we do not reactivity prop up their paradigms.
  - dmos62 2y ago
    Awesome. What are you doing for creativity these days?

sosodev 2y ago

Does relativity mean that time is not just a human construct? It’s hard to believe it is irrelevant when we have discovered special behaviors that are part the fabric of reality.

Uptrenda 2y ago

When I see posts like this I wonder if taking these drugs permanently alters ones conception of reality whether a person wants that or not. For example, if a person who has never taken LSD before reads the sentence "the entire concept of time is manmade [...]" they take that as kind of an abstract philosophy. The kind where someone might chuckle, roll their eyes, and say "yeah, sure thing man". But there's a huge difference between that and experiencing it, and then subsequently knowing it. The realizations you get on LSD are absurd. Yet, can end up being true statements that would almost never be believed otherwise. You could probably end up with the same conclusions if you thought about these related topics enough. But that would end up being similar to some beliefs talked about in certain spiritual practices. So its almost like if you take LSD you end up downloading that knowledge instantly which is bizarre to think about.

Swizec 2y ago
> "the entire concept of time is manmade [...]" they take that as kind of an abstract philosophy. The kind where someone might chuckle, roll their eyes, and say "yeah, sure thing man". Probably every teenager with enough free time to think has had this realization. The trick is what do you do about it? Manmade or not, time is a useful construct. You might as well use it. Even if deep down you know it’s just a convention, you still gotta live in society and coordinate with others. A shared understanding of time makes this easier.

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johnisgood 2y ago

I only experienced visual distortions, and I felt like a child who just came to this Earth. I grabbed objects as a curious child. I had much more self-reflection on shrooms, as LSD is too stimmy for me.