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GibberLink [AI-AI Communication]
- flemhans 2y agoA standardized chime in the beginning of the phone call could serve to alert humans as well as AI agents that the party they are talking to are an AI, eliminating the first part of the conversation.
- giancarlostoro 2y agoI love it, we are returning back to 64k internet where the phone starts screeching to get you where you need to be.
- hooverd 2y agoThat would be my queue to hang up. A computer should never talk to you first.
- Majromax 2y ago> A computer should never talk to you first. Isn't that exactly what happens with every IVR (phone menu) system?
- dingnuts 2y agoyes and it is infuriating. I don't think anyone wants more of those. But it will be fun prompt injecting AI agents with my mouth in the coming decades. Beats the old hacks for beating the IVR systems to get to a person
- hooverd 2y agoThey hopefully don't call you first. I was thinking of Google calling restaurants on your behalf to check for reservations. It's not valuing the other party's time. Unless they have their own systems. See everyone using their own LLMs to write paragraphs that will never be read and only summarized by an LLM on the other end. We're achieved negative compression.
- noja 2y agoA standardised sound throughout
- _blk 2y agoYes, pleaaaase! Just make sure it's audible for most people. Otherwise one trick that works well is insulting the caller. Computers tend to react quite differently from humans. J/k, don't do it (if you're not certain that your insulting a bot.)
- elcritch 2y agoThe Japanese figured this out already! We just say moshi-moshi when you start a phone call [1]. Originally it was believed ghosts couldn't say moshi-moshi (I can speak; I can speak). Now we can apply it to the ghosts in our machines. Who's gonna tell Openai? ;) 1: https://www.reddit.com/r/etymology/comments/13hc2gw/why_was_it_suggested_in_japan_that_yokai_couldnt/ https://www.reddit.com/r/etymology/comments/13hc2gw/why_was_...
- jrh3 2y agoUse English—the power of plain text.
- bibimsz 2y agotime is money
- shrubble 2y agoWhat’s the RTTY protocol?
- megadata 2y agoAccording to the page they're using https://github.com/ggerganov/ggwave https://github.com/ggerganov/ggwave
- dweekly 2y agoIt's a little depressing to have reinvented the modem only 10,000 times less efficient. At the point that two AIs discover that they are talking to each other, wouldn't it almost certainly be true that both could access the Internet and therefore the right thing to do (if more than a few bits of information need to be shared) is to exchange endpoint information and hang up the call to be able to communicate directly?
- johnla 2y agoThat might not be practical/possible for early days but this does seem like a bridge to that natural next step that /u/dweekly is saying which would quickly phase out this Gibberlink protocol.
- aprentic 2y agoPresumably both of these AIs have additional information beyond what was in their initial training. The hotel agent probably has a RAG that points at their various customer and inventory databases. The user agent has individualized information about the customer. Both of them have also likely had SFT steps that further differentiate them. The interesting question is if Gibber-Link lets the AIs do something they couldn't otherwise do with natural languages. Does it lower some error rate? Does it reduce the time it takes to send messages? Does it effectively give the AIs additional vocabulary? If I had to guess at the internals, they probably took the token encodings and mapped them on to tones. Then it just throws text or audio through the decoding filter and passes it back. If that's the case, the benefits are probably limited to slightly faster communications (It's essentially a simple, lossless compression) and a slightly lower error rate (beeps are easier to correct in noisy environments).
- AKSF_Ackermann 2y agoThey stepped on every single rake possible, didn't they? 1. Why are you making a phone call in the first place, your agent probably got the number from the internet, just keep using that. 2. If you insist on initiating the conversation over a phone call, why not immediately terminate the call and again, go over the internet once you realize that it is an ai to ai conversation. 3. You did in fact re-invent a modem but worse, the quoted speed on that library is 8-16 bytes/sec, and i would like to point out that the Bell 103 did ~37 bytes/sec, and was released in 1963.
- bibimsz 2y agoIt comes down to the problem statement and what the constraints are. This is solving for using the phone-only scenario, which is perfectly valid. If you want to address a phone-with-internet-backchannel, that's valid too - but it assumes different problem statement and constraints.
- godelski 2y agoI think the most important part is the bitrate. As you said elsewhere: "time is money". Seems like you're not saving that much money
- AKSF_Ackermann 2y agoPlease pay more attention to the point 3 in my original post. To reiterate: their encoding is hilariously bad, and is easily outcompeted by a modem from the 60s.
- swexbe 2y agoSounds more futuristic than old dial-up sounds though
- 0xDEFACED 2y agoyoure missing the forest for the trees. the library this demo is using for audio encoding (ggwave) was not made by the creators of this demo. speed (or lack thereof) aside, having a direct audio<->text encoding is much more computationally efficient than speech<->text generation. on the subject of the encoding efficiency, the ggwave depo mentions the use of reed-solomon error correction to make transmission more reliable. im struggling to find any info on error correction used by bell 103 or other modems, but if they aren't as robust that could partially explain the discrepancy you're describing
- hansonkd 2y agoWhy doesn't it just communicate a unique conversation ID and then use a backchannel like opening up a web connection instead? It is supposing that you are able to make a call but not connect to the internet?
- bibimsz 2y agothis is using phone only
- empath75 2y agoEveryone is right that the protocol is the wrong one to use, but there _should_ actually be some formally documented handshake for ai-agents to use to agree on an outside protocol to switch to.
- ricktdotorg 2y agoyou're right -- there SHOULD be!
- jcgrillo 2y ago> Warning: This went viral, be careful as there are a lot of scam projects trying to capitalize on this. We have nothing to do with them. I'm doubling down on my thesis. All this "AI" crap is Web3 2.0. It's nothing but scams on scams.
- huevosabio 2y agoNo, Web3 had little to show other than scams. This AI wave is so good that it makes it easy to create scams. So you get a lot of noise.
- dingnuts 2y agoCitation heavily needed. What AIs do you use, and how much do you pay monthly for your usage, and for how much usage? If there are limits imposed on your account, how often do you hit them? Since it's pay per token, I would be a lot more likely to take my credit card and sign up for one of these services (they are all rather expensive to an individual) if I could get my money back for any tokens that generate hallucinations. Why would I pay for tokens that generate lies? Scam. It's literally gambling. Put in a quarter and you might get the answer you wanted easier than searching. Didn't get it? Well, put in another quarter, rejigger your prompt, and pull the lever again. Maybe the slot machine will give you the result you want, this time. Oh, it didn't? Well, the sunk cost got a little bigger. Better pull again..
- SamPatt 2y agoSorry, but this is a ridiculous rant. Hallucinations have become much less common among the SOTA models, especially for coding with good guidance. I've been using Claude Sonnet 3.7 a lot the last two days, and to my knowledge, there have been zero hallucinations. It just does what I ask. But when they do make coding mistakes - so what? So do humans. I use it for non-coding questions all the time. The idea that the utility I get is completely negated because of occasional hallucinations is absurd. Have you used any tools like Aider, Cursor or Code?
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- willwade 2y agoThis reminds of me chirp https://archive.is/HEC29 https://archive.is/HEC29 https://audioxpress.com/news/data-over-sound-pioneer-chirp-acquired-by-sonos https://audioxpress.com/news/data-over-sound-pioneer-chirp-a...
- m3kw9 2y agoI wonder how well it can listen if there is lots of bg noise in this type sounds
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- jarbus 2y agoBrilliant, I don't feel this is pracctical, but I love the creativity.
- nimish 2y agoThis is the equivalent of the Yo app but for """AI""" This is also high art. This needs to be in MOMA or something. I love this.
- MrG3D 2y agoSoon to be replaced by IEEE P2874.