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How come there isn’t much discussion of DOGE on this site? Seems rather important and relevant to the question of whether the Silicon Valley approach to breakin
by goatlover 2y ago
How come there isn’t much discussion of DOGE on this site? Seems rather important and relevant to the question of whether the Silicon Valley approach to breaking things and moving quickly works for government. Also whether such an agency should have access to our data.
- nobankai 2y agoI can't blame YC for feeling the heat. VC has gone off the rails in the past few years, and their proudest alumni is an ex-Worldcoin CEO that wants everyone to invest in technology that's been "around the corner" for the past 8 quarters. I'm not saying there's a directive on-high shutting down this discussion, but if the majority of users are really YC-affiliated then this entire Trump admin thing is understandably embarassing.
- dang 2y agoOut of curiosity, how do you square that understanding with the 40 threads listed at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43168527 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43168527? There have been many more than just those, btw.
- nobankai 2y agoJust read jtsummers comment. I am responding to the parent's question in context, I don't care about the numbers or who they absolve.
- TimC123456 2y agoThe posts tend to get quickly flagged and thus buried. Search the archives for relevant names and keywords, and you’ll see lots of relevant yet flagged posts. Even discussions about this fact tend to get flagged.
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- dang 2y agoOut of curiosity, how do you square that understanding with the 40 threads listed at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43168527 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43168527?
- drawkward 2y agoAs a data scientist, I'd have to know the context: how many threads in the same scope have been flagged to death? I realize that my observations are not a representative sample, but I would estimate for every 1 thread about the current admin that isn't killed, 2-3 are killed. It is a common observation, amd spoken about by others.
- drawkward 2y agoAs a coda: how does that alive/dead ratio compare to other past MOTs?
- jeffbee 2y agoFor the last month if you want to learn anything from this site you go to "new" and only read the flagged threads.
- plorkyeran 2y agoThere's ten or so submissions per day that hit the front page and then instantly get flagged off.
- Jtsummers 2y agoIt gets [flagged] and [flagged][dead]ed very quickly. Some people flag because they don't care about politics, others flag because they're in favor of what's happening, the rest flag because all the discussions turn into flamewars and are unproductive.
- brink 2y agofwiw, I flag nearly every time because of the latter reason. Almost universal cheap, knee-jerk, low-effort comments in every thread I've seen.
- timr 2y agoFourth option: the articles are basically flamebait, as this one happens to be. Nothing of substance has occurred here; a federal judge issued a temporary restraining order for a couple of weeks until the case can move forward.
- TheAlchemist 2y agoI don't know. Is it really not important that a single guy, the richest in the world and heavily dependend on government subsides, able to access personal data of every single government employee ? (And send them pretty childish emails over the weekend !) Given the fact that people with very questionable backgrounds "work" on this data, it all looks like a massive potential for data leaks. It happens in plain sight, and apparently not many people object. Or more accurately, as on this website, they are silenced.
- vFunct 2y agoManagement here are aligned with the VC startup scam that Elon represents and so they don’t want any bad press discussed related to him, and so all relevant discussion is flagged.
- milesrout 2y agoThis is a blatant lie. HN does the opposite: threads critical of YC are more lightly moderated and the flags are removed a lot of the time. Flags come from users, not the mods.
- mindslight 2y agoI've seen flagged threads, but I've also seen plenty of popular discussions where the discussion is overwhelmingly against the neofascists.
- dang 2y agoOut of curiosity, how do you square that understanding with the 40 threads listed at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43168527 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43168527?
- jauntywundrkind 2y agoI use http://hckrnews.com http://hckrnews.com which is a nice timeline view of what's happening, isn't gamed by algorithms. It also nicely shows that the site has had massive chasms of popular but killed posts, which you can them go read (but no longer contribute to). Ironic that so many of the right used to clambor fo "free speech" & make claims of censorship, but many are likely here suppressing things they don't like rather than just moving along. No cost to them to just skip.
- milesrout 2y agoIt is constantly discussed, every day, in multiple threads. It gets flagged because the comments are very repetitive. There are only so many ways to say that Elon Musk and Donald Trump are lying, and that everything they do a pretext for destroying the government. Nobody ever discusses anything in good faith, it is just rounds of "youre a shill" "stop reading the nyt" "stop reading twitter" blah blah blah...
- wnevets 2y ago> How come there isn’t much discussion of DOGE on this site? The exact same reason any negative story about Elon, Twitter, Tesla or SpaceX disappears from the front page. They get flagged to death immediately. It also doesn't help that Paulg is still an Elon fan.
- goatlover 2y agoHe's not concerned with what's going on in DC? Does he think Elon is qualified to waltz in and start slashing and burning the Federal Bureaucracy? Congress hasn't approved DOGE.
- wolfcola 2y agopaulg is more concerned with “wokeism” than he is with the federal government being stripped for parts.
- 6figurelenins 2y agoIf it had any "parts," there would be seven trillion dollars' worth. But it's actually all just taxes.
- goatlover 2y agoIgnoring everything the taxes pay for. The parts being the Federal Bureaucracy and all the services it provides.
- onemoresoop 2y agoMaybe what is happening benefits him so he is quietly cheering on. If he stays quiet and makes no mentions of current events I will continue to assume so. I feel that if this ultimately escalates a few more rungs everybody will have to lose.
- JoshCole 2y ago> Congress hasn't approved DOGE. In 2014, under Obama, the United States Digital Service was established with by Congressional appropriations with the mission to "deliver better government services to the American people through technology and design" and in 2025 it was renamed to DOGE. Have you considered that it might have been renamed DOGE for the same reason that Tesla car models spell out the word SEXY? The mission has not changed very substantively. The order directs them to modernize federal technology and software to maximize efficiency and productivity. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Digital_Service https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Digital_Service [2]: https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2025-01-29/pdf/2025-02005.pdf https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2025-01-29/pdf/2025-0...
- hedora 2y agoSearch below for “doge” and limit to this week. There are thirty stories with more than ten upvotes, and 8 with over 100. That’s a major story more than once a day, and doesn’t include every Trump related disaster that was covered.
- dijksterhuis 2y ago> How come there isn’t much discussion of DOGE on this site? hopefully saving @dang a job. this meta comment provide some links to other comments from dang about Major Ongoing Topics (MOTs), what happens with flagging, why some groups feel there isn't enough discussion, others feel there's too much discussion, and how moderation works for MOTs (substantively new information is often key). https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43142645 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43142645
- DamnInteresting 2y agoIf you use https://news.ycombinator.com/active https://news.ycombinator.com/active, [flagged] and [dead] threads are shown, so long as there is engagement. I wish that @dang would make this the HN front page in these harrowing and hectic times. It is currently too easy for important threads to be smothered.
- btbuildem 2y agotoo many stans
- monocasa 2y agoIt shows up in news.ycombinator.com/active if you want to go looking for it.
- dang 2y agoIt is by far the most-discussed topic on HN of recent weeks. I've included a partial list below. It's odd how the most-discussed topic can feel like the least-discussed, but if you think about it it kind of makes sense. I call it the "nobody goes there anymore, it's too crowded" theory of HN threads: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20%22too%20crowded%22&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que.... There's another variant of this phenomenon: I've been spending most of my time posting dozens of in-depth explanations of this over the same time period, and yet somehow these explanations don't make it through to many users. I assume you haven't run into any of those, since you probably wouldn't have asked your (perfectly legitimate!) question if you had. Here are a couple to get you started, if you (or anyone) want to understand what's been going on here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43130700 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43130700 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42911011 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42911011 If you (or anyone) will take a look at those, and then still have a question that isn't answered there, let me know and I'll be happy to take a crack at it. --- It is no longer safe to move our governments and societies to US clouds - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43150085 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43150085 - Feb 2025 (761 comments) Ask HN: Do US tech firms realize the backlash growing in Europe? - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43139172 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43139172 - Feb 2025 (289 comments) DOGE's only public ledger is riddled with mistakes - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43138238 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43138238 - Feb 2025 (1436 comments) SpaceX engineers brought on at FAA after probationary employees were fired - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43127819 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43127819 - Feb 2025 (133 comments) Every .gov Domain - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43125829 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43125829 - Feb 2025 (265 comments) Treasury agrees to block DOGE's access to personal taxpayer data at IRS - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43121306 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43121306 - Feb 2025 (170 comments) DOGE puts $1 spending limit on government employee credit cards - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43120231 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43120231 - Feb 2025 (690 comments) DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43112084 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43112084 - Feb 2025 (1664 comments) Doge Claimed It Saved $8B in One Contract. It Was $8M - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43101757 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43101757 - Feb 2025 (125 comments) A SpaceX team is being brought in to overhaul FAA's air traffic control system - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43101009 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43101009 - Feb 2025 (146 comments) "Ensuring Accountability for All Agencies" – Executive Order - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43098705 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43098705 - Feb 2025 (1278 comments) USDA fired officials working on bird flu, now trying to rehire them - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43097709 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43097709 - Feb 2025 (179 comments) US government struggles to rehire nuclear safety staff it laid off days ago - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43066182 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43066182 - Feb 2025 (788 comments) Are DOGE's Claims of Social Security Payments to 150-Year-Olds Way Off Base? - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43056993 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43056993 - Feb 2025 (108 comments) Anyone can push updates to the doge.gov website - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43045835 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43045835 - Feb 2025 (1123 comments) USAID funding freeze disrupts global tuberculosis control efforts - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43038727 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43038727 - Feb 2025 (119 comments) DOGE Has Started Gutting a Key US Technology Agency - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43037426 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43037426 - Feb 2025 (179 comments) DOGE staffer is trying to reroute FEMA funds - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43036042 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43036042 - Feb 2025 (285 comments) DOGE as a National Cyberattack - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43035977 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43035977 - Feb 2025 (211 comments) NOAA's public weather data powers the local forecasts on your phone and TV - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43018643 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43018643 - Feb 2025 (113 comments) Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com' - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42981756 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42981756 - Feb 2025 (1801 comments) Announcing the data.gov archive - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42970039 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42970039 - Feb 2025 (132 comments) Elon Musk's Demolition Crew - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42968430 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42968430 - Feb 2025 (345 comments) DOGE staffer resigns over racist posts - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42966412 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42966412 - Feb 2025 (105 comments) DOGE employees ordered to stop using Slack - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42951458 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42951458 - Feb 2025 (381 comments) 20k federal workers take "buyout" so far, official says - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42950790 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42950790 - Feb 2025 (548 comments) What's happening inside the NIH and NSF - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42940257 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42940257 - Feb 2025 (1535 comments) Onlookers freak out as 25-year-old set loose on Treasury computer system - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42936421 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42936421 - Feb 2025 (133 comments) Payments crisis of 2025: Not “read only” access anymore - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42933219 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42933219 - Feb 2025 (654 comments) Words flagged in search of current NSF awards - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42932760 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42932760 - Feb 2025 (155 comments) The young, inexperienced engineers aiding DOGE - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42910910 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42910910 - Feb 2025 (2990 comments) CDC: Unpublished manuscripts mentioning certain topics must be pulled or revised - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42905937 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42905937 - Feb 2025 (721 comments) CDC data are disappearing - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42897696 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42897696 - Feb 2025 (589 comments) Musk aides lock government workers out of computer systems at US agency - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42892278 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42892278 - Jan 2025 (125 comments) NSF starts vetting all grants to comply with executive orders - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42886661 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42886661 - Jan 2025 (488 comments) Archivists work to save disappearing data.gov datasets - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42881367 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42881367 - Jan 2025 (238 comments) US pauses all federal aid and grants - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42851248 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42851248 - Jan 2025 (485 comments) 'Never seen anything like this' – NIH meetings and travel halted abruptly - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42817910 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42817910 - Jan 2025 (111 comments) NIH hit with freezes on meetings, travel, communications, and hiring - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42798960 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42798960 - Jan 2025 (440 comments)
- DrNosferatu 2y agoI start to see suspicious voting patterns (persistent trickle downvoting - preventing a inconvenient post to take off, to counter positive votes one by one), professional-level rhetoric, and close to 100% talking point alignment on some very specific topics. - What’s your experience?